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  1. 1 hour ago, JD dirtybird21 said:

    Nobody deserves to be called a play maker on this joke of a defense 

    While you are right about that, they sure made more than enough plays yesterday to allow our offense to put the game away all second half. 3 interceptions and keeping them held at 10 more majority of the game before injuries and fatigue kicked in due to the offense going 3 and out for the rest of 3rd and 4th quarter is amazing. 

    They did their job more than well enough for our offensively constructed team to score and put the game away. You can look at stats but i look at moments. The offense had more than enough moments to eat the clock if they don't at least score.  Defense never got a breather. 

  2. 3 minutes ago, Ergo Proxy said:

    And I believe DQ and Dirk going pass happy and abandoning the run WAY too early hung the defense out to dry the most. Yes, it put more on Matt and the pass plays came up short for various reasons. Yes, some was on Matt.

    This is the Bears D and they aren't push overs. We were down Julio and Gage and trying to attack them spread with UDFA WRs that aren't on the same page with QB after running for 150 yards.

    To me, that's coaching.

    I understand what you are getting at. The bears defense loaded up to make sure to stop the run. We would have gone 3 and out running the ball as well. They were going to take their chances with Ryan beating them. The primitive were there on the last 4 drives before they took the lead to even complete a first down. He could not connect on those deep throws. 

    I don't like Dirk as well. His play calling leaves a lot to be desired. I thought he called enough good passing plays that Ryan had to give his receiver a chance to catch our draw a interference. He didn't. He had many opportunities to score one more touchdown. I couldn't believe how many times he failed to even get a first down during the last 4 drives. Wow

  3. 57 minutes ago, Ergo Proxy said:

    Going 3 and 4 wide isn't they stopped the run and made us pass.

    And yes, Z slowed up on one of the shots.

    Hey, it's ok though I get it. Ryan needs to be perfect to ever have a shot.

    Fundamentally flawed team and all we get is confirmation bias diggers.

    In this game the defense, considering they are on the cheap side of the budget, played almost as well as I've ever seen them play till the consecutive 3 and outs for the rest of the fourth quarter broke them. He didn't need to be perfect for this game. He just had to complete a deep throw for a first down on any of those drives in the 4th. Of course keep making him seem like a victim. I would have agreed with you the first 2 but this one should have been pulled out by him if he even made a first down or 2.

  4. 2 minutes ago, Ergo Proxy said:

    I looked at the play to Z. He slowed up. Continue...

    I love also how you attack "bias" over fundamental strategic flaws being the core issue. Falcons abandoned the run for no reason and there was plenty of blame to go around on offense.

    And, the worst actual Ryan mistake of the game came after all of that. But throw the "bias" label yet dont want it staring at you in the mirror?

    Which play to z actually because there were 2 of them. The one where he beat his defender on the right side of the field only for Matt to over throw him or the deep middle possible touchdown? 

    There was a drive where Dirk ran it twice and wanted to keep the chains moving by throwing on 3rd. Are you suggesting they should have run it on 3rd and long for the sake of eating the clock? They were loading up on us to stop the run dating Matt to beat us. The plays were there to be made.

    Keep staring in your foggy mirror. It's good to not want to see what's there. 

  5. 4 minutes ago, nomak said:

    Answer my question... How big of a lead does Ryan have to get so the defense doesn't blow the game? 

    How was the team constructed? How which side of the ball consumes the most cap space and has the most star talent?

    They kept the bears held to 10 for almost all game. They even caused 2 interceptions which the choke job of our qb and offense only mustered 3 points. Then they went back to back to back to back 3 and out. They didn't eat any clock for our banged up defense to rest. 

    Is Ryan paying you? 

  6. 3 minutes ago, Ergo Proxy said:

    So...blame people's mistakes on offense on Ryan? Ok.

    Ryan also hurt 7 defenders and made them abandon the run from a strategic standpoint.

    I mean, I love how he also left us up 9 points when we last had the ball a week ago.

    The OP is right, it's not just an INT late its EVERY mistake on this team:

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    I never mentioned last week's game. The defense was trash. I'm talking about this game. Stop moving goal posts. This was our chance to get the first win to break us out of this. Our elite qb has moments present themselves to deal this game and he couldn't connect on deep routes.

    That has been my gripe with Ryan. When we play tough defenses you have to capitalize on moments. Z had his guy beat deep in the middle only for him to make another bad throw. This one was on Matt. Keep pointing everywhere else but tell others they are biased. 

  7. 1 minute ago, nomak said:

    So the 3 tds by the bears in the 4th had nothing to do with the lose? Yes Ryan throw a int at a horrible time but if the defense didnt allow 3 tds in a row the offense could had had the luxury of just running it out. How big of a lead does Ryan and the offense have to give the defense so they don't lose the game? 

    How many back to back to back to back to back 3 and outs does our banged up, on the budget defense that has been holding the opponent to 10 points with 2 turnovers do they have to play through?

    The offense had multiple moments to score one time but our franchise allegedly elite qb that put up fancy stats usually can't put the game away. This one wasn't on the defense. They did their job until the injuries and fatigue from so many snaps did them in. 

  8. 2 minutes ago, Ergo Proxy said:

    Didn't happen so still Matt's fault. Z didn't pull up on his route either. Coaching didn't abandon the run. Defense didn't allow 3 TD passes in less than 5 minutes game clock. Lol

    Cuz they put the game in Ryan's hands. You know... our "elite" qb. He has multiple drives to make the throws to put the game away. Yet here you are blaming everything else but our franchise qb exhausting the defense on an offensively led cap space consuming team. 

  9. 2 minutes ago, Ergo Proxy said:

    No. Z pulled up and under ran his route. And, on the Ridley play he was hit and Calvin held. Everyone actually so quick to blame Matt for every or any incompletion just proves their bias.

    Z didn't pull up. He overthrew z. I will give you the one on ridley being held. So what happens to the other deep throw to z?

    Look the defense did their job today. They can only play so many snaps banged up and watching the defense go 3 and out for the whole mid third through 4th quarter. For someone that's suppose to be elite, he has had every opportunity to get first down or out the game away. 

    Sorry ergo but it's your bias that's showing. He throws poor deep balls. 

  10. 3 minutes ago, dapanch420 said:

     what do you want matt ryan to do? nobody is getting open and our play caller refuses to change things up.

    Bullshnit! He missed Olamide on one 3 and out. He missed a open crossing Calvin ridley on another 3 and out, and missed olamide wide open deep and the other 3 and out. May always put up nice stats but this team was designed to be offensively led. If you claim may is suppose to be elite and the franchise, he is suppose to make those throws to put teams away.

    I don't blame the defense at all. They did their job. How do you make 2 interceptions only for the offense to score 3 points. The offense had the whole second half to put them away but in typical fashion, our "elite" qb can't connect deep on go routes in typical choke fashion. 

    I'm honestly ready to start over. Time to trade him and Julio while they still have value. Take the dead money and cap hit. Let's put serious money into the defense for once. 

  11. 2 minutes ago, GeniusWizard111 said:

    you know what, ryan should get some blame around here

    He is solely to blame the last 3 drives. When is time to hit clutch deep routes, he stinks. This comeback is completely the offense fault. 4 three and outs without giving our defense a chance to catch their breath? This is why i keep saying to stat watchers that may isn't elite. He is very good. He has had many drives to put the game out of reach. Now our defense, running on a budget that's mostly eaten by Julio and Matt, is very tired. 

  12. 47 minutes ago, sdogg said:

    I wish an opposing QB would say ”the Falcons used player X in way we've never seen”  

    They did. Remember Aqib Talib giving us props on the way we used Tevin Coleman when Shanahan was here in 2016?

    Sigh....i don't know why we are always stuck with below average playcallers for Matt. Shanahan was the only top 5 coordinator he has ever had. 

    This fault is still on Quinn for not promoting any of Shanahan disciples after 2016. He not only let 1 go but 2! We've not been remotely competent in that side of the ball since. He only has himself to blame. 

  13. On 8/23/2020 at 8:46 PM, Ergo Proxy said:

    Right. I also thought going back to last year it was interesting to note Dirk was cutting down on some of the verbiage. Less wordiness to accomplish the same thing, so to your point putting your stamps and style on the system and tools is where it’s at. Trying to just copy won’t ever work. I think the trust for Ryan to communicate what he wants should be helping Dirk navigate the adjustment phase between year 1 & 2. Getting the run game back to 2016 and 2017 levels is going to go a long way. It’s basically the factor to look for. It feeds everything else they do from the “make everything look the same” aspect instead of always going 11 personnel and being predictable.

    Part of also what made the system work was Ryan not being able to audible. That's why the run attempts were always adequate under Kyle. Do you think it will be necessary to eliminate the RPOs and return to no audibles again this season? 

  14. 1 hour ago, falconsd56 said:

    The saints were 2nd in dvoa?


    Every time I watched them, their defense was trash......atleast their secondary was.

    They are pretty good upfront but that back end was terrible.


    Its sad how under every coordinator Ryan had been with except for Shanahan, we can't capitalize on defenses with huge weaknesses or dominate ones injury riddled fielding street free agents with our high powered talent. 

    We watch the same struggling defenses get lit up and embarrassed by lesser talented offenses the week after playing us lol. I still don't understand for the life of me how New York giants with washed up Eli and barely any receivers were able to light up the eagles only to watch Sark not use the same game plan on them in our playoffs defeat. 

    I remember Vel or PMF breaking it down. Phillies secondary was getting lit up repeatedly with all the injuries they had that year. Yet Julio Calvin or any of our guys couldn't set it off against them because of repeatedly weak game calling by Sark. We didn't perform against top defenses that year. 

    I never thought Sark was good. His numbers were inflated. I remember too many games his final year when the offense would stagnate for 2 whole quarters only to finally open up after the defenses have sort of put the game away. People tend to forget that but point to stats lying to our eyes claiming it was top 10 because he reached certain numbers. 

    I will miss Kyle and his assistants. I don't think Chris Morgan is a good assistant coach either. He is still living off his time with Kyle. 

  15. 3 hours ago, Smiler11 said:

    It takes a lot of guts for a head coach to hold his hands up and then transfer play calling duties to someone else midseason, so I give DQ a lot of credit for doing that, BUT... That DQ led defense for first half of the year was atrocious (like historically bad, like Saints 2012 bad). For a guy previously known as a defensive guru, I think DQ somehow managed to get off pretty lightly for that sh*t show. 

    Could we argue that the db coach was just horrible for both Manuel and Quinn? I still think Quinn is very capable. Look at the turn around job he did during our superbowl year when he took over from Richard (i forgot his last name). I am not sure if he is good at making assistant coaching decisions.

    He let 2 Shanahan disciples go despite knowing he wanted to keep the offense. If he would've retained one of them and we still performed badly, then the organization and fan base would have supported letting him go. He moved a premium secondary coach in Raheem to offense just to promote Manuel. He hired Henderson who was garbage for both Manuel and him. 

    I hope the growing pains with him are over. Hopefully the loyalty butterflies in him are gone. I like coach whit and the new defensive line coach. I've always thought they've been underperforming for more than a while now. 

  16. 3 hours ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

    I think the most interesting point is how often Morris dropped into coverage on 3rd down, rushing only 3 players.  People hated Manuel for this, but Morris did it as well

    “Morris also wanted more bodies in coverage in general. In fact, the Falcons utilized 3-man rushes on 3rd down twice as much under Morris as they did during the first half of the season. Through those first 8 games, opponents converted 87.5% of 3rddown attempts against these 3-man rushes versus just 6.25% in the second half of the season.”

    To be fair, Manuel had better results rushing 4 that year. We were giving up egregious amount of completions rushing 3. I think that was where the frustration with Manuel boiled with ppl. He didn't have a feel for his guys when they were finally in a rhythm on defense. He will get cute and take them out of it.

    Raheem is just night and day better in what ever look we fielded during the second half last year.

  17. On 7/21/2020 at 8:37 AM, k-train said:

    Season starts under Quinn:

    2015: 6-1 to start, 6-2 halfway through

    2016: 4-1 to start, 5-3 halfway through

    2017: started 3-0 before going 4-4 halfway through

    2018: started 1-4 before going 4-4 halfway through

    2019: 1-7 halfway through to start the year

    So, it’s really only been the past two years that the team had starts that were particularly bad.

    That’s hardly “notorious”, and makes it seem like your statement is suffering from a bit of recency bias... which is understandable, but perhaps not entirely accurate.

    I think he probably means for the team to start hitting their stride on both sides of the ball regardless of record. 

    2016: even though we started the season with a good win/loss record, the team especially the defense didn't start hitting their stride until Quinn to over second half of season. 

    2017: the new defensive coordinator (forgot the name of Quinns buddy) didn't really start hitting their stride with the defense until second half of the season as well.

  18. On 7/15/2020 at 6:06 PM, athell said:


    Matt can't throw a fade to save his life.  Supposed to be high and away, Matt's are always flat and inside.  You will not convince me, not that you are trying, that Julio freaking Jones wouldn't win 50/50 balls majority of the time with his physical traits.

    Matt also struggles with deep balls to Julio and seemingly only Julio.  idk why or what it is, but that is the one connection (outside of fades) these two don't have.

    Great point Athell. As much as I get on Matt about this aspect of his game which contributes to our red zone efficiency woes, i also think it has as much to do with Matt beating himself up for his high turnover rate his rookie year for being aggressive (i prefer this Matt by the way). I think coach Smith coached him out of it. That's why he only attempts these kind of throws only when the game is on the line or back is against the wall instead of making this part of his regular arsenal. If you play as if you are scared of throwing interception all game, those high risk throws become even harder to make when needed. 

    This is where the elite qbs shine over Matt to me. The break the defenses back with these difficult high risk throws because they trust the wr to win even when the defense knows its coming. They make the back shoulder throw, fades, jump balls, even a good jump ball pass on go routes that isn't wobbling in the air for the defender to gather and make a play on the ball. 

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