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  1. And this is how false rumors spread. The yahoo article is derived from Peter King’s MMQB article. Where he says, it’s complete guesswork and he has no active knowledge of any trade. Now, on Twitter, you have fake Adam Schefters “reporting” the Falcons are fielding calls for a possible Julio Jones trade, and the article doesn’t even say that.
  2. Again you’re late, and yes you need help in the logic of this conversation, I’m copy and pasting my past comment So to prove your point on the risk of drafting a QB high, you choose historically the four worst franchises in regards to drafting QBs: Browns (they finally got their act together), Jets, Bears, and Washington Football. It’s a draft, their is risk with everything and everyone, that goes without saying. However over the past 25 years, minus a handful of exceptions: Brady,Brees, Russell Wilson, and Aaron Rodgers, the vast majority of franchise QBs selected were in picks 12 or higher. That’s not even subjective, this is an objective fact. Both Manning brothers, Philip Rivers, Roethlisberger, Patrick Mahomes, Desaun Watson, Josh Allen, Carson Palmer, Cam Newton, Matthew Staford, Andrew Luck, Donovan McNabb, Mike Vick, Joe Flacco, and my personal favorite Matt Ryan. This is just at the top of my head.
  3. Again I’m helping you out... No matter how well Matt Ryan performs, he is going to age out like everyone does eventually in the NFL. The last thing you want to be is like the Saints, banking on if Jamies Winston is the heir apparent, or the Colts that have a team ready for a deep playoff run but no QB to lead. It’s not a Need today, sure, but it will definitely be one soon. Again, at the most important position in all of sports. Why not have your heir apparent on the roster now, so we’re not hoping and praying in two years from now.
  4. our quarterback like the rest of humanity is getting older. At the end of his current contract, (three more seasons) he will be 39 if we resign/extend him. There is not many truly effective 39 year old qbs minus a few exceptional examples. If Arthur Smith truly turns this thing around immediately, we expect to not even sniff a top 10 draft position in the foreseeable future. So now that you’re picking in the top 10, do it NOW!
  5. Again 4 is where the Falcons are drafting this year. I suggest they draft a QB at their current draft Position. 10 is the reference to most franchise QBs go around this range. 12 is the reference to for those who slip past the 10th pick, franchise QBs draftees are typically done no later than this pick In conclusion, the Falcons need to draft a QB at their position at pick #4, because most franchise QBs are picked by the 10th pick, doomsday scenario by pick 12th.
  6. Again I’m going to help you out and copy and paste my original post in this thread. We can go 16-0 or rather 17-0, but the fact still remains that our quarterback like the rest of humanity is getting older. At the end of his current contract, (three more seasons) he will be 39 if we resign/extend him. There is not many truly effective 39 year old qbs minus a few exceptional examples. If Arthur Smith truly turns this thing around immediately, we expect to not even sniff a top 10 draft position in the foreseeable future, therefore it would be wise to get a QB now, and let him sit for two or even three years; similar to the Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers exchange.
  7. Okay so let me help you out. I brought up specifically age 39 years old, because that will be the age Matt Ryan will be once his current contract expires and if we resign/extend him he will be 39. I was comparing effective 39 year old QBs. Matt Ryan is great, but I’m sorry, he’s not on Manning, Brady, Brees, or Rodgers level. There’s no point to go back and forth on that, we will always disagree on that. To argue a year or a year or two, is inconsequential. Out of their years in the NFL minus a year, two, three, whatever, Matt Ryan is not on Brady’s level. That’s not an argument you want to have. Lastly, the bolded area is not a contradiction, you don’t understand nuances. In other words, franchise QBs in general are drafted between picks 1 to 12, in most years. We can just look over data from the past 25 years to verify where franchise QBs was drafted. That’s not debatable. So the Falcons picking at 4th is excellent for drafting a franchise QB. Whoever is drafting at 12 is in range to pick a QB, but it’s gets real iffy after that.
  8. Honestly I’m open to trading down to the 7 to 10 range. You’re taking a risk, but the draft is all about risk. But if you trade to 7-10 range, you better not go down any further, if we’re going after a QB. And if we do that, you know Lawrence, Wilson, and Fields (not high on him anyway) are long gone. At that point, in the 7-10 pick range, we are in Lance, Mac Jones, and Kyle Trask territory. And if the Falcons brass feels that either of those QBs can be their next franchise QB, and you can get away with it at 7-10 pick and pick up some additional draft capital along the way, go for it! But I wouldn’t drop any lower than that.
  9. Again, it’s not a question of will there QBs in 2022 or the years following that? Of course it will! That’s not a doubt. The problem is, will the Falcons be in position to draft them at the point in time. That’s where the logic breaks down with a lot of people on this board. It’s a two-step process. No matter the year, the QB prospect has to be available, which we all agree will exist, but we have to pick high enough to draft him, that’s where a lot of people don’t get that logical next step. And if we are not drafting high enough, that means either we need a trading partner or the person could fall to us, but is that a chance you want to take?
  10. However over the past 25 years, minus a handful of exceptions: Brady,Brees, Russell Wilson, and Aaron Rodgers, the vast majority of franchise QBs selected were in picks 12 or higher. That’s not even subjective, this is an objective fact. Both Manning brothers, Philip Rivers, Roethlisberger, Patrick Mahomes, Desaun Watson, Josh Allen, Carson Palmer, Cam Newton, Matthew Staford, Andrew Luck, Donovan McNabb, Mike Vick, Joe Flacco, and my personal favorite Matt Ryan. This is just at the top of my head.
  11. Nothing is arbitrary about reviewing past and current franchise QBs and seeing the general draft selection number. And the overall general consensus is you want to be a top 10 pick, no worst than 11 or 12 to get a franchise QBs. That is not an arbitrary number that is based on recent and not so distance draft history of QBs. If you need a franchise QB, you want to pick #1, but if not, around pick 10 should be fine in most years, but if you’re not picking in those realms, you’re truly banking on the incompetence and needs/trading partner of 31 other teams. Every pick in the NFL draft can bust, so that’s always an inherent risk with drafting no matter what position. However, there is a clear evident pick number for presuming franchise QBs, period
  12. So to prove your point on the risk of drafting a QB high, you choose historically the four worst franchises in regards to drafting QBs: Browns (they finally got their act together), Jets, Bears, and Washington Football. It’s a draft, their is risk with everything and everyone, that goes without saying. However over the past 25 years, minus a handful of exceptions: Brady,Brees, Russell Wilson, and Aaron Rodgers, the vast majority of franchise QBs selected were in picks 12 or higher. That’s not even subjective, this is an objective fact. Both Manning brothers, Philip Rivers, Roethlisberger, Patrick Mahomes, Desaun Watson, Josh Allen, Carson Palmer, Cam Newton, Matthew Staford, Andrew Luck, Donovan McNabb, Mike Vick, Joe Flacco, and my personal favorite Matt Ryan. This is just at the top of my head.
  13. I will give you the benefit of the doubt, that you didn’t read my entire post. Especially the part where I said I think that Matt Ryan can possibly be inducted in the hall of fame, and he’s the best QB this city has ever had by far. With that being said, no, as a Matt Ryan supporter, I think he’s been a great QB throughout his career, but Brady, Rodgers, Brees, and Manning or in a different echelon. Ryan can win the Super Bowl next season, and I could care less where he would rank amongst them, because I would be ecstatic beyond words, but even then, the aforementioned QBs are just on another level. We can still be successful and win a championship with Matt Ryan, but their just in a league of their own.
  14. That’s not the issue. There will always be QB, but like the 2000 Atlanta Falcons or the 2007 Atlanta Falcons, we have to truly suck to get a franchise QB, so we can be in position to draft one. So no matter what year a team is looking to draft a QB, if you’re not in the top 10 draft selections, good luck.
  15. So in the past, let’s days, 20 years in the NFL, the only examples of good to great quarterback play from players 39 or older is: Tom Brady, Drew Brees, and Peyton Manning (Peyton is arguable at 39). And even though he’s not 39 yet, let’s add Aaron Rodgers to the list. Correct me if I missed someone. I have all the respect and appreciation for Matt Ryan; but with all due respect, minus one year, he’s never been on any of their levels in his career. But you’re assuming he will play at their level at 39 years of age, when he’s never played to their level even in his prime (minus a year or two). And again, I think Matt Ryan is borderline hall of fame player and by far the greatest QB this franchise has ever had the pleasure of drafting. But time is undefeated. Lastly, the original premise is where franchise QBs are typically drafted. You don’t have to pick a QB at 4, but typically by pick 11 or 12, they’re all gone, minus someone falling unexpectedly, and I wouldn’t chance that. If the Falcons reach any moderate success over these next three years, we’re probably not going to be in any position to draft a QB for the future, so you better do it this May.
  16. But that is the root of the problem, isn’t it? No matter how well Matt Ryan performs, he is going to age out like everyone does eventually in the NFL. The last thing you want to be is like the Saints, banking on if Jamies Winston is the heir apparent, or the Colts that have a team ready for a deep playoff run but no QB to lead. It’s not a Need today, sure, but it will definitely be one soon. Again, at the most important position in all of sports. Why not have your heir apparent on the roster now, so we’re not hoping and praying in two years from now.
  17. Yeah typically by pick 11 or 12, that’s it for franchise qbs. Yes, picks can fall or be overlook obviously, but is that a chance you truly want to take?
  18. We can go 16-0 or rather 17-0, but the fact still remains that our quarterback like the rest of humanity is getting older. At the end of his current contract, (three more seasons) he will be 39 if we resign/extend him. There is not many truly effective 39 year old qbs minus a few exceptional examples. If Arthur Smith truly turns this thing around immediately, we expect to not even sniff a top 10 draft position in the foreseeable future, therefore it would be wise to get a QB now, and let him sit for two or even three years; similar to the Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers exchange.
  19. I think you may need to reread my post. I think you misunderstood my stance. The Bucs 3rd and the Chiefs 6th place standing is in reference to their scoring offense, not defense. I’m advocating for the offense playing a more prominent role in getting to and winning the super bowl, than the defense, despite the defense playing a pivotal role itself. And like I said from the onset of my original post, the offense and defense work in tandem. It’s easier to play defense when your offense scoring abilities has made the other offense one dimensional and now your defense can pin their ears back and play solely the pass. But again these are just overall numbers.
  20. Obviously the offense and the defense work in tandem, but in regards to playoff football, elite quarterback play coupled with an opportunistic defense typically does the trick. These are just overall numbers and the analysis to super bowl participants and champions requires a deeper dive, but here are the scoring (pts/game) offensive rankings for the super bowl winners since 2013: 2013 Seattle Seahawks 8th 2014 New England Patriots 4th 2015 Denver Broncos 22nd 2016 New England Patriots 3rd 2017 Philadelphia Eagles 2nd 2018 New England Patriots 4th 2019 Kansas City Chiefs 5th 2020 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 3rd or 2020 Kansas City Chiefs 6th Sans the 2015 Broncos, Need an elite offense too to win Championships.
  21. Please don’t overthink this, Mike McDaniel for HC. We’ve been running Shanahan’s scheme/playbook since 2015. Why not get the guy who’s been with him for a decade, is the run game coordinator of the San Fran 49ers, knows the intricacies of the schemes and the evolution of it, and lock him down.
  22. The reality is the reason why the Atlanta Falcons are still running Shanahan’s playbook, years after his exodus is because it’s an excellent scheme and once mastered, is truly effective against any defense. The problem is, as long as you have OC’s learning the scheme and the nuances, they will not master it to the point of evolution. They are unable to create wrinkles or evolve the scheme, as defenses catch up or evolve their schemes to defend against it, because this is not their original scheme, it’s Shanahan’s. So if we are staying with this scheme and playbook, which I think and hope we are, why continuously try to fit a square peg in a circle hole, and bring in an offensive mind who is lost in this playbook. Bring in Mike McDaniel, Shanahan’s right hand man, who has been with Shanahan nearly every step of the way, has helped evolve the run and pass schemes, as defenses adapt, and will be able to think of solutions on the fly, because this playbook and scheme is all he knows.
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