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  1. JDaveG (12/27/2007)
    holymoses (12/27/2007)
    I think Clinton is definately the most "political animal" of the three democrats,

    That, to me, equals "lacking in integrity." I don't trust her to do anything other than what she thinks will get her another term.

    And that does not always equate to what she thinks will get her popularity amongst the voters, but rather (out of sheer political necessity) what she thinks will get her more funding. That's a **** dangerous woman. That's Bush III. With hairier legs and more balls, but still Bush III.

    but she has been more consistent on her core issues than Romney, and I think Huckabee is a total fraud.

    Based on what? Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems to me you can disagree with the guy without impugning his character, to wit:

    I'm very surprised that you put Obama above Huckabee.

    I think Obama is less a politician at his core than Huckabee. Maybe he's got me completely snowed, but I get the feeling that he is in it for the right reasons.

    He's ambitious, but not for pecuniary reasons. I'll take that, even where I vehemently disagree with him on the issues, over a charlatan.

    How can you half way that guy? Either he's the real deal or he's Jimmy Swaggart in a better suit.

    How can you put him below Hillary-effing-Clinton without knowing which it is?

    If he's the real deal, isn't he light years ahead of a power-monger who prostitutes herself in a sham marriage to secure political power? Sorry to fail to pull punches on this one, but seriously. I can't see how you can downgrade someone in the integrity department based on what sounds like a hunch. And you rated Clinton middle-of-the-pack!

    How do you do those line item quotes?

  2. robpanama (12/27/2007)
    holymoses (12/27/2007)

    Curious that you would put the guy who takes a limo to pick up his Pick Up for campaign appearances as your number one pick.

    Why do you put Romney, who has done some major flip flopping on core issues, ahead of Edwards? (It's the trial lawyer thing, isn't it?)

    The limo was in poor judgement. They are all trying to appeal to the middle class even if they use a gold toilet seat, that just campaign rhetoric and Im willing to overlook that. What counts is you did when the bill crossed your desk or when you found out your daughter was bi, that's when we see the real man.

    And yes, being a trial lawyer was an automatic -3 in my poll.

    PS: New quote feature Lewinsky's.

    LOL on the Edwards thing. I've always been surprised by his crossover appeal. I assume that once he got the nomination, he would be CRUCIFIED for being an ambulance chaser.

    And you'll have to elaborate on "bill on the desk" and the "bi daughter" thing. I'm missing something.

  3. JDaveG (12/27/2007)
    Best-to-worst (and not surprisingly, not too far off where I'd rank them in order of Presidential preference -- I'd put Huckabee ahead of Obama on issues, and I'd consider a vote for Romney over Obama by the same measure, though he might send me to the Libertarian candidate):

    Paul

    Obama

    Huckabee

    Romney

    Thompson

    Edwards

    Giuliani

    McCain

    Clinton

    Frankly, I'm stunned that you would place Clinton above Huckabee and Romney. I wouldn't place her above Bill, and that's saying a mouthful (pun intended).

    I think Clinton is definately the most "political animal" of the three democrats, but she has been more consistent on her core issues than Romney, and I think Huckabee is a total fraud.

    I'm very surprised that you put Obama above Huckabee. How can you half way that guy? Either he's the real deal or he's Jimmy Swaggart in a better suit.

  4. Isnt Integrity doing the right thing when noone is watching? If so, how can McCains integrity increase after hes lost it? He's just making better promises.

    Yeah, sort of defeats the purpose, doesn't it? But what if aliens had taken over his brain? McCain was the presumptive nominee because of his reputation as being a straigh shooter. But the straight talk appearance was replaced by the blatant panderer who loves his party more than his country (how else could he have turned on Kerry?) He was horrible in the debates because he is such a lousy liar. Recently, he's returned to the straight shooter that is his core. And the polls reflect the public's response.

  5. robpanama (12/27/2007)
    holymoses (12/27/2007)
    Here they are in Alphabetical order.

    12.Clinton

    6.Edwards

    5.Giuliani

    7.Huckabee

    8.McCain

    2.Obama

    3.Paul

    4.Romney

    1.Thompson

    done, but I wouldnt base my vote on Integrity. I have 2/3 issues which I believe are critical to the survival of this republic. I would overlook past indiscretions if the candidate would attempt to rectify these.

    Right . . . I assume you wouldn't base your vote entirely on integrity, but certainly it is a factor. But that's why I specifically put other factors aside for this ranking.

    Curious that you would put the guy who takes a limo to pick up his Pick Up for campaign appearances as your number one pick.

    Why do you put Romney, who has done some major flip flopping on core issues, ahead of Edwards? (It's the trial lawyer thing, isn't it?)

  6. He can win the primaries, and he can walk the general election. He is IMMINENTLY electable.

    That scares the **** out of Democrats, just as Obama scares the **** out of Republicans.

    I don't think Obama scares Republicans . . . I only wish.

    And I've been very wrong on these things before, but I think Huckabee would be the best thing that could happen to Democratic Presidential hopefuls.

  7. JDaveG (12/27/2007)
    holymoses quoting the article as follows(12/27/2007)
    [For those of you keeping score at home, this puts Huckabee just a little to the left of Dennis Kucinich on illegal immigration and border control. The only difference is that Kucinich supports amnesty for aliens from south of the border and north of Saturn.

    Obviously, Huckabee's stance on immigration is based in large part on his support of the Fair Tax, because if the Fair Tax passes, a lot of the complaints about illegal immigration go away instantly.

    About the only ones that do not are that they are "stealing our culture," etc. And I don't pay serious attention to those anyway.

    At any rate, I've been telling y'all this guy is not the Theocrat kook a lot of folks make him out to be. He can win the primaries, and he can walk the general election. He is IMMINENTLY electable.

    That scares the **** out of Democrats, just as Obama scares the **** out of Republicans.

    Well, I like this:

    The First Amendment requires that expressions of faith be neither prohibited nor preferred. We should not banish religion from the public square, but should guarantee access to all voices and views. We should share and debate our faith, but never seek to impose it. When discussing faith and politics, we should honor the "candid" in candidate - I have much more respect for an honest atheist than a disingenuous believer.

    My faith is my life - it defines me. My faith doesn't influence my decisions, it drives them. For example, when it comes to the environment, I believe in being a good steward of the earth. I don't separate my faith from my personal and professional lives.

    Real faith makes us humble and mindful, not of the faults of others, but of our own. It makes us less judgmental, as we see others with the same frailties we have. Faith gives us strength in the face of injustice and motivates us to do our best for "the least of us."

    Our nation was birthed in a spirit of faith - not a prescriptive one telling us whether to believe, but one acknowledging that a providence pervades our world.

    But not so much this:

    I support and have always supported passage of a federal constitutional amendment that defines marriage as a union between one man and one woman. As President, I will fight for passage of this amendment. My personal belief is that marriage is between one man and one woman, for life. [What happened to "never seek to impose it"?

    No other candidate has supported traditional marriage more consistently and steadfastly than I have. While Massachusetts was allowing homosexuals to marry, I got a constitutional amendment passed in Arkansas in 2002 defining marriage as between one man and one woman. I got Arkansas to become only the third state to adopt "covenant" marriage. My wife Janet and I upgraded our vows on Valentine's Day, 2005. Today, many churches in Arkansas will perform only covenant marriages, so I'm hoping we'll see a decline in our divorce rates.

    The late Cardinal O'Connor decried a domestic partnership law (which provided that all couples who signed up, whether heterosexual or homosexual, would be treated the same as married couples) as legislating that "marriage doesn't matter." I agree with the Cardinal that marriage does matter, I would add that nothing in our society matters more. Our true strength doesn't come from our military or our gross national product, it comes from our families. What's the point of keeping the terrorists at bay in the Middle East if we can't keep decline and decadence at bay here at home? The growing number of children born out of wedlock and the rise in no-fault divorce have been a disaster for our society. They have pushed many women and children into poverty and onto the welfare, food stamp, and Medicaid rolls. These children are more likely to drop out of school and end up in low-paying, dead-end jobs, they are more likely to get involved with drugs and crime, they are more likely to have children out of wedlock or get divorced themselves someday, continuing the unhappy cycle.

    My wife Janet and I celebrated our thirty-third wedding anniversary this past May. For us, every anniversary is a miracle. When we were both twenty and married just over a year, when I was in my last semester of college, Janet was diagnosed with cancer of the spine. I can't tell you what a stunning blow it was - two kids just starting out, you don't think something like that can happen when you're so young. Yet there we were, staring death in the face. At first, they told us that even if she lived, she might be paralyzed from the waist down, so I'd be a young man with an invalid wife. After I learned she wouldn't be paralyzed, I was told that because of the radiation she had to receive following surgery, we'd probably never have children. I wanted children very much, I couldn't imagine never being a father. During that time, a lot of things went through my mind. But one thing never did - the thought of leaving her. If Janet were in a wheelchair today, if we'd never had children, I can tell you this - she would still be my wife.

    No mention of Civil Unions anywhere . . . . I guess toleranec and equality only go so far.

  8. http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?print=yes&id=24148

    Does anyone take her remotely seriously?

    All I want for Christmas is for Christians to listen to what Mike Huckabee says, rather than what the media say about him. The mainstream media keep flogging Huckabee for being a Christian, apparently unaware that this "God" fellow is testing through the roof in focus groups.

    Huckabee is a "compassionate conservative" only in the sense that calling him a conservative is being compassionate.

    He responded to my column last week -- pointing out that he is on record supporting the Supreme Court's sodomy-is-a-constitutional-right decision -- by saying that he was relying on the word of a caller to his radio show and didn't know the details of the case. Ironically, that's how most people feel about sodomy: They support it until they hear the details.

    First, I'd pay a lot of money to hear how a court opinion finding that sodomy is a constitutional right could be made to sound reasonable. But the caller had the right response when Huckabee asked him, "What's your favorite radio station?" So he seemed like a reliable source.

    Second, Huckabee's statement that he agreed with the court's sodomy ruling was made one week after the decision. According to Nexis, in that one week, the sodomy decision had been the cover story on every newspaper in the country, including The New York Times. It was the talk of all the Sunday news programs. It had been denounced by every conservative and Christian group in America -- as well as other random groups of sane individuals having no conservative inclinations whatsoever.

    The highest court in the land had found sodomy was a constitutional right! That sort of thing tends to make news. (I was going to say the sodomy ruling got publicity up the wazoo, but this is, after all, Christmas week.)

    So this little stretch-marked cornpone is either lying, has a closed head injury, is a complete ignoramus -- or all of the above.

    Huckabee opposes school choice, earning him the coveted endorsement of the National Education Association of New Hampshire, which is like the sheriff being endorsed by the local whorehouse.

    He is, however, in favor of school choice for kids in Mexico: They have the choice of going to school there or here. Huckabee promoted giving in-state tuition in Arkansas to illegal immigrants from Mexico -- but not to U.S. citizens from Ohio. "I don't believe you punish the children," he said, "for the crime and sins of the parents."

    Since when is not offering someone lavish taxpayer-funded benefits a form of punishment? That's almost as crazy as a governor pardoning a known sex offender so he can go out and rape and kill.

    Huckabee claims he's against punishing children for the crimes of their fathers in the case of illegal immigrants. But in the case of slavery, he believes the children of the children's children should be routinely punished for the crimes of their fathers. Huckabee has said illegal immigration gives Americans a chance to make up for slavery. (I thought letting O.J. walk for murdering two people was payback for slavery.)

    Just two years ago, Huckabee cheerfully announced to a meeting of the Hispanic advocacy group League of United Latin American Citizens that "Pretty soon, Southern white guys like me may be in the minority." Who's writing this guy's speeches -- Al Sharpton? (Actually, take out "Southern" and "white," and I agree with Huckabee's sentiment).

    He said the transition from Arkansas' Southern traditions would "require extraordinary efforts on both sides of the border." But, curiously, most of the efforts Huckabee described would come entirely from this side of the border. Arkansas, he pledged, would celebrate diversity "in culture, in language and in population." He said America would have to "accommodate" those who come here.

    All that he expected from those south of the border was that they have a desire to provide better opportunities for their families. Basically, we have to keep accommodating everyone but U.S. citizens.

    For those of you keeping score at home, this puts Huckabee just a little to the left of Dennis Kucinich on illegal immigration and border control. The only difference is that Kucinich supports amnesty for aliens from south of the border and north of Saturn.

    In a widely quoted remark, Huckabee denounced a Republican bill that would merely require proof of citizenship to vote and receive government benefits as "un-Christian, un-American, irresponsible and anti-life," according to the Arkansas News Bureau. Now, where have I heard this sort of thing before? Hmmm ... wait, now I remember: It was during the Democratic debates!

    In his current attempt to pretend to be against illegal immigration, Huckabee makes a meaningless joke about how the federal government should track illegals the way Federal Express tracks packages. (Can a Mexican fit in one of those little envelopes?)

    In other words, Huckabee is going to address the problem of illegal immigration by making jokes. It's called leadership, folks.

    Huckabee confirms for liberal TV hosts their image of conservatives as dorks by bragging about how cool he is because he "likes music." What's he doing -- running for president or filling out his Facebook profile? Arkansas former fatty loves to make jokes and play the bass guitar. Remember what happened to the last former fatboy from Arkansas trying to be "cool" by liking music? I'll take "Stained Dresses" for $400, Alex.

    According to Huckabee, most people think conservatives don't like music. Who on earth says conservatives don't like music -- other than liberals and Mike Huckabee? This desperate need to be liked by liberals has never led to anything but calamity.

    Huckabee wants to get kids involved in music at an early age because he believes it leads to a more balanced and developed brain. You know, as we saw with the Jackson family. Maybe someone should tell him the Osmonds are voting for Romney.

    He supports a nationwide smoking ban anyplace where people work, constitutional protection for sodomy, big government, higher taxes and government benefits for illegal aliens. According to my calculations, that puts him about three earmarks away from being Nancy Pelosi.

    Liberals take a perverse pleasure in touting Huckabee because they know he will give them everything they want -- big government and a Christian they can roll.

  9. silentbob1272 (12/21/2007)
    holymoses (12/21/2007)
    Wow . . . lots of vitriolit remarks about Clinton . . . any specific support?

    Just curious: For those taking that approach with Hillary, WHO WAS THE LAST DEMOCRAT THAT YOU VOTED FOR?

    I actually voted for Bill, but as they say

    "If you're not a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If

    you're not a conservative when you're 40, you have no brain."

    I'm brainless!

    If you could vote for Bill instead of HIllary, would you?

    What has changed your ideology?

  10. robpanama (12/21/2007)
    holymoses (12/20/2007)

    I think that Obama would be better for America than Hillary. But if she wins, a fine consolation will be the mass epileptic fit the entire conservative core of this nation would experience the morning after the election. Plus, I think Hillary would actually do a pretty good job.

    Can Libertarians also receive treatment for epileptic fits in case of that disaster?:sick:

    I'm a LOT closer to Libertarian than any other party allignmnent. But where as I am socially very liberal, I am only moderately conservative fiscally.

  11. XLDenaliReturns (12/21/2007)
    holymoses (12/21/2007)
    Wow . . . lots of vitriolit remarks about Clinton . . . any specific support?

    Just curious: For those taking that approach with Hillary, WHO WAS THE LAST DEMOCRAT THAT YOU VOTED FOR?

    i was raised democrat and i voted for john kerry in the only prez election i was old enough to vote for.

    but i've come to the OBVIOUS conclusion that democrats=republicans=corporate puppets. almost without exception. so ##### them.

    How exactly did you come to that conclusion?

  12. robpanama (12/21/2007)
    genraldon1 (12/21/2007)
    God help this country if we let the Socialist (Democrats) take over. I just wish all the Socialist would move to Cuba and leave all the true Americans alone.

    They dont like the end result of socialism but the populous are now ingrained to believe that the govt is supposed to take care of them by grabbing wealth from the evil rich. You can thank govt schools for that.

    1) I AM the "evil rich"

    2) I went to private schools starting with 2nd grade.

  13. JDaveG (12/21/2007)
    holymoses (12/21/2007)
    Wow . . . lots of vitriolit remarks about Clinton . . . any specific support?

    Just curious: For those taking that approach with Hillary, WHO WAS THE LAST DEMOCRAT THAT YOU VOTED FOR?

    Zell Miller. Roy Barnes. Ronnie Musgrave. I would have voted Democrat in the last governor's race if they had nominated anyone worth 2 cents. As it is, I voted Libertarian, and I remain convinced I voted for the best candidate.

    I vote Democrat a lot. You won't see me voting for Hillary. And I sent you the long, drawn out and voluminous Exhibit A as to why. There is more, but that should get you started.

    Recently? I need some good reading for the Holidays! (In addition to "The Political Brain" by my man crush, Prof. Westin.

  14. I just don't think Obama can take down the Clinton machine on the Democrat side . . . But taking 1 of Iowa, New Hampshire or South Carolina could keep him in the game. Taking two would make it EXCITING.

    But the more interesting battle is on the Republican side. The meteoric rise of a guy like Huckabee speeks MUCH more about the mediocrity of the other candidates than the strength of Huckabee.

    Of course, we are already seeing the results of the reality that Huckabee is damaged goods and wholly unelectable. Oops.

    Guilianni is the same but on the other extreme. Now that the Evangelicals are figuring out that behind the heroic flag waiving rescuer of 9/11 lies a Pro Gay Marriage, Pro Abortion, PRO Gun Control, Open the Boarders, Fly off the handle dress wearing Adulterer. My prediction is that Pat Robertson is the ONLY Evangelical who would rather kill Arabs than save unboarn Children

    Mit is a Mormon. . . . and a flip flopper.

    Fred Thompson was SUPPOSED to be THE man . . . but his polling numbers have tanked SINCE he announced. Again, the perception was far more appealing than the real candidate.

    Which takes us back to McCain . . . solid lifelong politician, perceived as moderate despite VERY conservative voting record and has had his lips on the tushy of the Christain right since 2005. "Ah yes . . . McCain! We can trust him. Why did we ever leave you?"

    But during the general elections, the nation will be reminded why a light weight like W wiped the floor with McCain BEFORE McCain was eligible for social security (He'll be SEVENTY TWO when the general election is getting warmed up). And they'll understand why he was relegated to also ran status in the primaries until they realized just how unelectable the rest of the candidates were. He'll flake out during the debates, where America will see first hand that the Hillary demonized by the Hannity, O'Reilly, Bortz, Limbaugh etc. is actually pretty smart and capable of leading the country. "And weren't those the guys who convinced us to vote FOR W? Maybe we should stop listening to them!"

    I think that Obama would be better for America than Hillary. But if she wins, a fine consolation will be the mass epileptic fit the entire conservative core of this nation would experience the morning after the election. Plus, I think Hillary would actually do a pretty good job.

  15. "I'm looking forward to working with the entire Falcons organization from Mr. Blank to the 133 fans currently logged into the message boards. I think the first question for everyone is whether they realize the toxic nature of what everyone is doing?

    There are quality people in this organization that need to take a good hard look at the mirror and recognize that as long as they rely on others to save them, they will never be saved. Healing must start from within."

  16. rev_hal (12/18/2007)
    vickandbailey (12/18/2007)
    so you dont think it was a double standard Rev? Im not talking just about the falcon's incident but the other ones in the league when a fine was giving out because of a player honored another player by putting on thier number and such?

    Personally, I am not aware of all of the other violations being discussed. Talking about what all of the players are wearing makes me feel like I have to turn in my man card.

    The original post compared altering the uniform for Taylor to altering the uniform for Vick. There is a difference between those two men.

    Is there, Reverend?

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