JDaveG

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  1. It’s not such a crazy thought. 

    I expect Quinn to be fired. But this is the 2nd coach to deal with dysfunction in personnel. There is one guy responsible for that. Quinn reports to Blank. If he’s been saying “I disagree with the direction our personnel folks are taking,” I could see Blank keeping him and firing TD. I don’t expect it, but it wouldn’t surprise me. 


  2. 46 minutes ago, marvinthemartian said:

    He says that he has it on good authority that Blank is more upset with TD than he is with DQ. Apparently Blank would have fired TD when Quinn got here if Quinn had wanted him to do it but Quinn said they could work together. Dukes said he wouldn’t be surprised if TD goes and Quinn stays IF they turn it around and win some games during the rest of the season. 
     

    Not saying I hope this happens but he was serious that this is what his inside sources are saying Blank is leaning towards as of now. 

    Funny.  I mentioned earlier today that I wouldn't be surprised if TD goes and Quinn stays.

    The only thing is, I'm not sure they let TD make decisions on stuff like trading Sanu if he's going to be gone soon, so I take it with a HUGE grain of salt. I can at least admit my prior comments were wishful thinking.  We'll see if Dukes' "good authority" is any good.


  3. 2 hours ago, VTCrunkler said:

    My thing is they weren’t lazy nor lo-energy in the Eagles game. Also it seems like several games we played one decent half per game.  The first half of the Texans game and the second half of the Cards.  I just think we ran up into a superior team in the Colts. 

    It seems like we can turn our play on with a switch. 

    Fools need to be switching then.

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  4. 8 minutes ago, Sun Tzu 7 said:

    1.  The double dipping at corner was actually one of TDs better moves.  It got ahead of the problem before it became a problem and for a good 3-4 years the Falcons were set at both corner spots.

    Here is the only reason I disagree.  We cut Grimes.  A tough, hard working, bootstrap player.  Exactly the kind of guy you want on your team.  We cut him because he got hurt.

    We created a hole and then had no choice but to fill it.  We didn't see anything coming (except Samuel, and that was even too little, too late).  We made a hole and then traded up to ensure we filled it in the draft.  It's everything I hate about Dimitroff's team building approach.

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  5. 2 minutes ago, Sun Tzu 7 said:

    Oh trust me I’ve seen them.

    Smittys fault was also loyalty.

    After the Green Bay massacre in 2010 BVG should have been fired on the spot.

    But think about this -- after the Green Bay massacre in 2010, we moved up in the draft to take a stud WR.

    Our draft class after that debacle was Julio, Akeem Dent, Quizz, Bosher and Andrew Jackson.  One of those players plays defense.

    In 2013, our draft class was Trufant, Alford, Malliciah Goodman, Toilolo, Maponga, Ish, Zeke Motta and Sean Renfree.  Lots of defensive players there, but we had to double dip at corner why?  Because we let Grimes walk in FA and we saw the writing on the wall with the end of Asante's career.  Worse, we pushed to re-sign Gonzalez and signed Steven Jackson in Free Agency.  Why?  Because that was the ticket to "getting back."  We needed pass rush, but hey, Maponga and Goodman, and Massaquoi, would have to do.  Oh, we got Osi, whose best days were behind him.  And Cliff Matthews was on the roster for some reason.  But man, a TE who wanted to retire and didn't want to go to training camp, plus a RB on the wrong side of a decade plus career?  What's pass rush when you have THAT kind of firepower, amirite?

    "Getting back" is the enemy of "getting better."  But we keep falling for it.  Because our owner is desperate.


  6. 2 minutes ago, Sun Tzu 7 said:

    To be clear I'm not saying we keep TD.

    He's gotten good players but the prioritizing of offense over the dline has soured me on them.

    Letting Poe and Irving walk out the door and go to the Panthers is a little high on my list.

    Eric Reid was out there but they wanted to stick with what's his name.... then the Panthers signed Reid.  They liked what they saw so much they kept him around and he's making significant contributions to that defense this season.

    Now Quinn has final say on the roster so maybe these were all his decisions.

    The job of the GM is to find you guys that can play.  Developing and getting the most out of them... isn't that on the coaching staff?

    Just look at what Terry Robiske did for Roddy White

     

    Conversely, I'm not saying we keep Quinn.  Not by a long shot.

    My point, though, is that decisions seem to come from on high that disrupt the process of building the team and preparing them to play.  Mike Smith wrote about it at length in his book.  He blames himself, but it is clear as day that when we get close, Mr. Blank steps in and imposes his will.  Go get this.  Go get that. Expectations are high.  I want my ring.

    I mean, look at 2012, 2013 and 2014.  Look what moves they made.  Look what they did to "improve" the team.  Look at the talk about getting us back so we can finally win one.

    Then look at 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019.  Tell me there aren't parallels.


  7. 6 minutes ago, Sun Tzu 7 said:

    And this is why they say once the Head Coach loses the locker room you have to fire them.

    If it's a culture issue then it's on the new coach to fix it.

    Probably correct.  But I don't think just firing the coach will fix it.  It will simply get us a few good years until the next time the culture collapses.

    We need to have a front office that maximizes team building.  What we have is one that chases rings instead of building teams.  They always think we're one piece away.  And so we leave the team to stagnate while we go get that one piece, only to find we could have upgraded the roster in a myriad of ways instead.

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  8. This is why good coaches churn rosters.  The Patriots are the latest examples, but this really goes back to Bill Walsh.  He always said to get rid of a guy too early instead of too late.  Because the message gets stale, the culture gets stagnant, guys get comfortable.

    You have a core of your team.  I'd be willing to bet that Tom Brady is the only player still on the Patriots from that 2001 Super Bowl.  Almost guaranteed.  I only hedge because I haven't looked it up.  He's probably also the only player left from their 2004 team.  And I bet there aren't many left even from the 2011 Super Bowl team.  

    We went to the NFCCG in 2012.  Granted, I think Matt and Julio are the only position players still on the team, with Bosher and Bryant rounding out the 4, but we also had a massive coaching change and personnel upheaval in 2015.  If we'd kept winning, we'd still have a lot more of those guys.  Bellichick wouldn't.  He moves players along when they show signs of stagnation.  He drafts replacements for guys who are still on the roster and under contract and even young, and insists the replacements perform.  He requires every man to compete for his job.  

    I suppose you could argue we did the same with Takk vs. Beasley, but the truth is we needed another DE, so I don't buy that.  


  9. 3 minutes ago, ya_boi_j said:

    Man I've been calling for the finger to be pointed at the players since Sark was around and people were scapegoating him. Execution is the key to playing sports, period. If I'm the coach and I call a play for you to run a 5 yard out and you run a 5 yard in, what's going to happen? Playcalls can be questioned but everything should not fall on the shoulders of the coaches. I'll blame coach for issues with the depth chart but I can't blame him for the players not doing what they're supposed to do

    See, this is where I am too.  I'm not saying Quinn bears zero responsibility.  Far from it.  I expect him to be fired.  This team, bad as it is, ought to be playing better than this.

    But the truth is, a new coach won't turn soft players into bad ***ses.  He might for a season, maybe 2.  But you can't fix lazy.  You can't fix low effort and low energy.  You can't fix guys who coast.  Quinn's mistake is in not recognizing those players and shipping them out.  And I'm not 100% convinced he's even behind all that, given that our owner goes to the press about getting deals done for people.

    The problem, and you've hit it on the head, is it isn't the depth guys who are costing us games.  I can forgive Oliver and McGary's mistakes.  But when Alex Mack, Jake Matthews, Matt Ryan, Desmond Trufant, Vic Beasley, Devondre Campbell and too many others to list are making the same stupid mistakes and costing this team with low effort play?  That ain't on the coach.  Those players are going to get a decent man fired.

    If we fire Quinn and TD stays, I'm not going to be happy.  If we fire TD and Quinn stays?  I might be able to live with that for a season or two.  The coach isn't performing well.  But he's also hamstrung.  The culture of this team is sick unto death.


  10. 19 hours ago, thamill said:

    You mean by running an offense around a players strengths?  RG3 was a one read and run QB.  He exploited that skill set and he got hurt.  I don't blame the injury on Shanny.  He was in a playoff game and his QB was hurting but wanted to play.

    Conversely, remember when Vick was playing under Dan Reeves and he coached to his strengths by having the O bomb down the field and open up Vick to big runs deep into the secondary?  I remember it being 3rd and 18 and knowing we were about to get a 1st.  Then Mora came in and tried to turn him into a West Coast QB after he got hurt which neutralized Vick's strengths. 

    The moral of the story is to build your offense/defense around the playmakers skills instead of trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.   

    Vick's best years by far were in Philly, running a WCO.

    Mora had the right idea.  The problem is he had the wrong version of Mike Vick.


  11. I wouldn't trade Hoop for less than a 1st or 2nd.  Any team wanting him wants him because they need him.  We can still re-sign him in the offseason or just cut bait.  Even if we've decided to cut bait, we got a 2nd for Sanu.  

    We spent a 3rd to get him.  Good teams leverage.  Bad teams don't.  We're a bad team, but I want us to be a good team. Hooper for a 3rd is dumb.

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  12. 5 minutes ago, SirCzah said:

    That playoff game in 2010 is what doomed Smitty.  We immediately stopped building our core and started plugging holes like an overzealous cam girl (or guy if your into that, lol).

    Seems familiar somehow. Like it’s now happened twice. 

    But Smitty’s gone, so who could be behind.............