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  1. 4 hours ago, duckettpleaze said:

    Because I can’t find my holy Moses password and I got a new cell phone.

    and I wish you would stop presuming hostility for everything I do. 

    I know you understand What Vernon Jones is about. You said he changed… A lot.   You get it. I get it.  I was just going into, in part, why I think he is such a complete piece of poop.

    would you and lostone mind talking a little bit about fraternities in HBCUs.

    this has been on my radar since Kamala Harris‘s acceptance speech. They were talking about the support she received from her sorority sisters.

    It seems like Greek life for HBC’s it is a much tighter, lifelong experience than it is for other schools.   

    Is that an accurate perception? What do you think is behind it?

    First, let me enlighten you with a little info from the other night.


    I have a Mechanical Engineering degree (undergrad), Registered Professional Engineer in the State of Georgia, but outside of a summer internship and a co-op, that engineering degree and P.E. has NEVER paid a bill in my house!

    Greek life at an HBCU is VERY different from Greek's at PWI's.  You forge bonds with your frat brothers/sorors that cannot be broken.  We seek each other out after we graduate, IOW, this is a serious matter to us.  Add that, plus being a Mason, I got depth and reach!  I wasn't aware that Lost One was a member of any frat.


  2. 6 minutes ago, Ezekiel 25:17 said:

    Can you get Kap to talk sense into him!? 

    And if that doesn’t work, just flat out whoop dat @ss! 🤣

    I'll be honest, I think Vernon is using the Trumpers just like they are using him, and both camps know it.  Who he listens to, or doesn't, is not my problem.  He believes what he believes, and I believe what I believe.  I'm well aware that Kap is a Nupe.

  3. 4 minutes ago, duckettpleaze said:

    I’m sure he would be a fun guy.  But he is part of the problem.  I judge people based on how hostile they are towards Mrs. HolyMoses.   And Jones has been a complete prick. He was part of re-drafting the DeKalb legislation that would have eliminated the ethics officer position.


    Why do you log out of your primary account and use your alternate account to post stuff like this? I never said Vernon wasn't part of the problem.  I said I knew him personally, he was my fraternity brother, and that he had changed.

  4. 58 minutes ago, HolyMoses said:

    Hey look!  My all time favorite grifter was at the Georgia Capital today. . . with Alex Jones.

    Vernon jumped onto the Titanic at just the right time.  I think he's hoping to be saved by catching a rope to the SS Newsmax.

    Vernon Jones is my frat brother, sad to say, I know/knew him personally.  He's clearly changed..................................a lot!

  5. ATlANTA -- A second Georgia county has uncovered a trove of votes not previously included in election results, but the additional votes won't change the overall outcome of the presidential race, the secretary of state's office said Tuesday.

    A memory card that hadn't been uploaded in Fayette County, just south of Atlanta, was discovered during a hand tally of the votes in the presidential race that stems from part of a legally mandated audit to ensure the new election machines counted the votes accurately, said Gabriel Sterling, a top official in the secretary of state's office.


    The memory card's 2,755 votes are not enough to flip the lead in the state from Democrat Joe Biden to Republican President Donald Trump. The breakdown of the uncounted ballots was 1,577 for Trump, 1,128 for Biden, 43 for Libertarian Jo Jorgensen and seven write-ins, Sterling said.

    *Counties are colored red or blue when the % expected vote reporting reaches a set threshold. This threshold varies by state and is based on patterns of past vote reporting and expectations about how the vote will report this year.

    Election officials on Monday said Floyd County, in north Georgia, had found more than 2,500 ballots that hadn't been previously scanned.

    Both counties will have to recertify their results, and the margin between Trump and Biden will be about 13,000 votes when those previously uncounted votes are accounted for, Sterling said.

    County elections workers have been working on the hand tally since Friday. State law leaves it up to the secretary of state to choose which race to audit. Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger selected the presidential race and said the tight margin meant the audit would require a full hand recount.

    The counties have until 11:59 p.m. Wednesday to complete the hand count. The secretary of state's office originally said the results of the hand tally would be certified. But Sterling said Tuesday that the state would instead certify the results certified by the counties.

    Once the results are certified, if the margin between the candidates remains within 0.5%, the losing campaign can request a recount. That would be done using scanners that read and tally the votes and would be paid for by the state, Raffensperger has said.


    State election officials have consistently defended the integrity of Georgia's vote count and have said the audit is expected to affirm the results. They have conceded that there may be wrongdoing - people who vote twice or people who vote despite not being eligible - and have pledged to investigate any cases.

  6. Floyd County election results after ballots uncovered during audit

    Prior to the discovery of these ballots, Trump had a significant lead in the majority Republican county.
    2,600 uncounted ballots discovered in Floyd County during election audit
    Volume 90%
    Author: Jason Braverman (11Alive)
    Published: 5:29 PM EST November 17, 2020
    Updated: 5:41 PM EST November 17, 2020
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    FLOYD COUNTY, Ga. — Nearly 2,600 ballots were not tallied on election night in Floyd County, the Secretary of State's office said.

    Georgia election official Gabriel Sterling said county election workers failed to upload votes from a memory card on election night. It was discovered during a statewide audit

    Prior to the discovery of these ballots, Trump had a significant lead in the majority Republican county as shown below.

    TRUMP - 27,120 (70.28%)
    BIDEN - 10,972 (28.43%)
    JORGENSEN - 496 (1.29%)

    Once the votes are certified, it should look like this in Floyd County:

    TRUMP - 28,763
    BIDEN - 11,837
    JORGENSEN - 512

    Trump received 1,643 additional votes, Biden had 865 more votes and Jorgensen had 16 new votes. 

    The votes will not be certified until after the audit is complete on Wednesday at midnight and will be done by the Friday deadline, according to the Secretary of state. 

    Biden still leads Trump by around 12,500 votes as of Tuesday evening. NBC called Biden the apparent winner of the state, however, the Associated Press has not called the race.

  7. 3 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said:

    This is going to sound pretentious as **** and I absolutely don't mean it this way...

    ...but this argument that demographic groups are not monolithic and there's a lot more heterogeneity in their attitudes than people think...

    ...I published an article in a very good political science journal almost 10 years ago demonstrating that exact point, and that article was based on my dissertation which I completed about 13 years ago.  

    So y'all are kind of preaching to the choir on that point.  

    Pretentious asss...............................I'll show myself out again!:lol:  Going to lunch now!

  8. 6 minutes ago, Corn Pop said:

    Liberals Envisioned a Multiracial Coalition. Voters of Color Had Other Ideas.

    Democrats may need to rethink their strategy as the class complexities and competing desires of Latino and Asian-American demographic groups become clear.

    By Michael Powell

    Nov. 16, 2020

    The proposition seemed tailor-made for one of the nation’s most diverse and liberal states. California officials asked voters to overturn a 24-year-old ban on affirmative action in education, employment and contracting.

    The state political and cultural establishment worked as one to pass this ballot measure. The governor, a senator, members of Congress, university presidents and civil rights leaders called it a righting of old wrongs.

    “Women and people of color are still at a sharp disadvantage by almost every measure,” The Los Angeles Times wrote in an editorial endorsement.

    Yet on Election Day, the proposition failed by a wide margin, 57 percent to 43 percent, and Latino and Asian-American voters played a key role in defeating it. The outcome captured the gap between the vision laid out by the liberal establishment in California, which has long imagined the creation of a multiracial, multiethnic coalition that would embrace progressive causes, and the sentiments of many Black, Latino, Asian and Arab voters.

    Variations of this puzzle could be found in surprising corners of the nation on Election Day, as slices of ethnic and racial constituencies peeled off and cut against Democratic expectations.

    “We should not think of demography as destiny,” said Professor Omar Wasow, who studies politics and voting patterns at Princeton University. “These groups are far more heterogeneous than a monolith and campaigns often end up building their own idiosyncratic coalition.”

    Asian-American Californians opposed the affirmative action measure in large numbers. A striking number of East and South Asian students have gained admission to elite state universities, and their families spoke to reporters of their fear that their children would suffer if merit in college selection was given less weight. That battle carried echoes of another that raged the past few years in New York City, where a white liberal mayor’s efforts to increase the number of Black and Latino students in selective high schools angered working- and middle-class South and East Asian families whose children have gained admission to the schools in large numbers.

    “There’s more texture to California blue politics than you might think,” said Lanhee Chen, a fellow at the conservative Hoover Institution at Stanford University and policy director for Mitt Romney’s 2012 presidential run. “Identity politics only go so far. There is a sense on affirmative action that people resent being categorized by progressives.”

    Latinos, too, appear sharply divided. Prominent Latino nonprofit and civil rights organizations endorsed the affirmative action proposition even as all 14 of California’s majority-Latino counties voted it down.

    Latinos make up more than half of San Bernardino County’s population, although significantly fewer turn out to vote. More residents there voted on the affirmative action proposition than for president, rejecting it by a margin of 28 percentage points. In rural Imperial County, in the southeastern corner of the state, 85 percent of the population is Latino. The voters there who gave Joseph R. Biden Jr. a nearly 27-point margin of victory went against the affirmative action measure by 16 percentage points.

    The results suggest that Democrats may need to adjust their strategy as the complexities of class, generation and experience, and the competing desires of these demographic groups become clear. Since the dawn of the 21st century, it has become commonplace for party leaders to talk of a rising demographic tide that is destined to lift the Democrats to dominance. That liberal coalition is seen as resting on a bedrock of upper-middle-class white voters, alongside working- and middle-class Black, Latino and Asian voters.

    In broad strokes, that narrative held. Black voters, along with a shift in the white suburban vote, played a pivotal role in delivering Georgia to the Democratic column (although so closely that a statewide audit is taking place). So, too, Black voters in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia voted overwhelmingly for Democrats — as did well-to-do majority-white suburbs — and gave Pennsylvania and therefore the national election to President-elect Biden.

    In Arizona, Latino voters piled up large margins for Mr. Biden and tipped the state narrowly into the Democratic column for the first time since 1996. Representative Ruben Gallego, the Democratic congressman from Phoenix who is a former Marine and a Harvard graduate, noted that several decades of aggressive tactics by Republican governors and white sheriffs had stirred activism among the young Latinos who dominate politics there.

    “The Republicans caught Latino lightning in the bottle in Florida and South Texas, but not here,” Mr. Gallego said. “We are very politicized. It’s just important that white liberals don’t impose their thoughts and policies on us.”

    Aside from those successes, however, the election presented complications wrapped one inside another for Democrats. In Texas and Florida, in California and in Colorado (where New York Times exit polls found that roughly 40 percent of white voters and 38 percent of Latino voters cast ballots for President Trump), the assumption that people of color would vote as a liberal Democratic bloc often proved illusory.

    John Judis is a liberal writer and scholar who in 2002 co-wrote “The Emerging Democratic Majority,” which became a seminal text for those who saw the Democratic Party as a political tide rising. He has since backed off that a touch.

    “‘People of color’ is a term that’s been adopted by the cultural left as a way of arguing that if these groups proportionately voted Democratic in the past, they will do so in the future,” Mr. Judis said. “I don’t see how you can make the argument.”

    Viewing the Latino vote as monolithic fails, of course, to capture the often sharply varying politics and ethnicities of people hailing from nearly two dozen countries on two continents. The same is true when examining the behavior of Asian-American voters.

    Philadelphia offers a snapshot: A record number of Latinos in the city, which is heavily Puerto Rican and Dominican, turned out and buoyed Mr. Biden. Yet exit polls also found that Latino voter support there for Mr. Trump leapt to 35 percent this year from 22 percent in 2016. In Milwaukee, an analysis by Urban Milwaukee reported an uptick in the Latino working-class vote for Mr. Trump, although a majority still favored Mr. Biden.

    Along the Rio Grande in Texas, where some Mexican-American families, known as Tejanos, have roots that extend back four centuries, the vote margins shifted dramatically in 2020. Latino turnout soared, almost entirely to the benefit of Mr. Trump. Although Mr. Biden obtained more total votes in the four counties of the Rio Grande Valley than Hillary Clinton did in 2016, his margins of victory fell sharply.

    The reasons offered for these results include poor field organizing by the Democratic Party, the cultural conservatism of some older Tejano families, and the fact that many in these often-dense counties find good-paying jobs with the Border Patrol.

    Many voters, too, worried that Mr. Biden and the Democrats would impose a new coronavirus-driven shutdown, with dire consequences for the many thousands who own and labor for small businesses. Prof. Omar Valerio-Jimenez grew up in the Rio Grande Valley and teaches history at the University of Texas at San Antonio. Several of his old friends and cousins voted for Mr. Trump.

    “They faced this challenge: Do they continue to open our stores and restaurants and churches, which lets us pay our bills,” he said, “or do we quarantine and not have the money to pay our bills?”

    Muslim voters also confounded Democratic strategists with their support for Mr. Trump reaching 35 percent, according to The Associated Press. This, too, is a constituency difficult to pigeonhole, as it encompasses Africans, Arabs, South Asians and Europeans.

    “A sizable number of Muslims have experienced Donald Trump and to the surprise of Democrats they said, ‘We want more of that,’” Shadi Hamid of the Brookings Institution said.

    Analyzing vote shifts is a tricky business, particularly when trying to gauge why some Latino, Black or Arab voters moved from supporting a liberal Democratic candidate like Mrs. Clinton in 2016 to voting for a populist authoritarian Republican like Mr. Trump. Some analysts pointed to the appeal among male voters — regardless of color or ethnicity — of Mr. Trump’s masculine persona. Others mentioned the performance of the national economy, which had hummed along until the plague arrived.

    There were small, intriguing changes in the Black vote as well. The Times’s exit polls in Georgia found that 16 percent of Black men voted for Mr. Trump. (Compared with 7 percent of Black women there.) And to chart the votes along the so-called Black Belt in Mississippi, which includes 10 counties along the Mississippi River, was to find that although Mr. Biden won handily, his margin in nearly every county was two to three percentage points smaller than Mrs. Clinton’s.

    The unanswered question is whether the 2020 election will be a one-off, the voting patterns scrambled by an unusually polarizing president who attracted and repelled in near equal measure. If it signals something larger, political scientists noted, some Latino and Asian voters might begin to behave like white voters, who have cleaved along class lines, with more affluent residents in urban areas voting Democratic while a decided majority of rural and exurban residents support Republicans.

    Then there is California, where the sands of change blow in varying directions. In 2018, Democrats swept the Orange County congressional seats. In 2020, the Republicans have rebounded and taken at least two of those seats.

    The Republican candidate Michelle Steel, who is Korean-American, came out against the affirmative action proposition, a stance that proved popular with her Asian-American constituents, as well as many white voters. And on election night, Ms. Steel rode that support to a narrow win against the incumbent Democratic congressman, Harley Rouda.

    “This is the challenge for liberal Democrats,” Professor Wasow said. “In a diverse society, how do you enact politics that may advance racial equality without reinforcing racial divisions that are counterproductive and hurt you politically?”


    Michael Powell is a national reporter covering issues around free speech and expression, and stories capturing intellectual and campus debate. @powellnyt

    A version of this article appears in print on Nov. 17, 2020, Section A, Page 1 of the New York edition with the headline: Election Jars Liberals’ Vision of Multiracial Bloc. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe

    Corn Pop, I will respond to this article, have to step out now, plus gather my thoughts.

  9. 7 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said:

    You’re saying “don’t listen to the pinheads...except the pinheads at this particular exit poll firm”.  Sorry, but that’s inconsistent.


    It was HM that mentioned EDISON the other night, not me.  Then he batsignaled you!  HM said that, based on whatever data he was looking at, Trump didn't pick up additional black voters...................PERIOD, and that is not true!  ALL I have tried to say all along, is that that Edison data (or whatever it is) actually shows what we (black folks) already know, that there is a problem, and it has nothing to do with Trump.  I'm not vouching for Edison or anyone else, but what you fail to realize is that you continue to prove my point!!!


  10. 3 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said:

    Please go back and read my post again.  I didn’t say to “discount” the Edison survey and I left open that it could be accurate.  I said that we don’t know at this point whether it’s accurate or whether the AP Votecast survey is accurate.  And we shouldn’t declare one or the other definitive until we know more.  

    I'm reading your posts, but go back and read Jp's response to me, and you'll see what I keep trying to say.

  11. 13 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said:

    I’m still confused.

    People are talking about these “problems” because of the Edison data.  But there are reasons to be skeptical of that data because other data using different methods show that those problems might not be real.  

    I’m saying that we have two equally reputable data sources — the Edison data that most media outlets use and the AP Votecast survey — that show different results.  So we don’t know if there is a problem or not.  There might be.  There might not be.  We should look at all of the data and figure it out.  But declaring Edison as the definitive, be-all-end-all data source is wrong, at least based on the conflicting data we have at the moment.

    You are confused because YOU and HM want to discount the Edison survey and rely solely/only on data from AP for starters, plus it is widely known dems use black votes to benefit other causes and not the actual black people that voted for them!  I don't need an Edison survey to tell me what I already know, and I don't need an AP survey to tell me everything is OK when it is clearly not!  Dems don't talk to people, not black, not white, not anybody!  It's as if dems sit in focus groups listening to a robot tell them "**** them, listen to me, do this!"  It was amazing to see dems get all giddy over the Lincoln Project soley because they (former GOP) understand messaging better than the dems!

  12. 6 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said:

    Wait, I read your previous post to mean “Dems should rely on the Edison data”.  But here you’re saying they’re too reliant on data.  I’m confused.

    You're confused because you want to be.  The Edison data clearly shows there are problems on the ground that everyone is talking about. YOU keep saying that whatever study or data YOU refer to is showing that there is not/are not problem(s).  It's as simple as that.

  13. 32 minutes ago, Leon Troutsky said:

     The problem, though, is that you say that “ignoring this data” is dumb and dangerous.......................

    I stand on that.  Not aimed at you, but becoming so reliant on data allows democrats to flat out ignore conditions on the ground, ignore their constituents, allows them to "helicopter" over voters because they REALLY have disdain for them.  Relying strictly on data is why dems talk "at" people instead of talking to them, and paint in broad strokes.

  14. 2 minutes ago, HolyMoses said:

    It seems like Warnock is more in line with where you want the Party to move, while Ossoff is more status quo.  

    I wish Ossoff was running against Loughler and Warnock against  Perdue.  Although it might not matter.

    It is frustrating that Democratic policies have not been more proactive in evening the playing field for minorities.  But it is more frustrating that Republicans, by continuing to try to tilt the field against them, don't put pressure on Democrats to do more.

    Maybe the best thing the Republicans ever did for turning Georgia purple (for now) was blatantly suppress the **** out of the minority vote?

    Honestly, I don't have a problem with Ossoff at all, but he can't flip (ala "pull a Manchin") once elected.  Democrats could (and could've) done more to even the playing field if:  1)  They haven't been pulled so far to the right because Reagan broke the democratic party, 2)  They put so much effort into courting the GOP, and 3)  If more of them weren't closet Reaganites.  You have to define what you are and stand on it, just like the GOP.  Being wishy washy about it doesn't help.

  15. 12 minutes ago, HolyMoses said:

    I wish I could better articulate my point about this, because I am quite clearly failing:

    Nothing about my take on the Exit polling is about what should or should not be Democratic policy moving forward.  

    My take is limited to the validity of the polling.  I think it is irresponsible to rely on the Exit Polling in 2020.  I'm happy to repost my rational and links to support , and to others who share my skepticism.  

    We've gone through this.  I've seen far too many people (Symone Sanders being one that immediately jumps out) repeatedly using what you refer to as the "inaccurate" Edison survey instead of the AP survey that you refer to.  I didn''t realize there was a difference!  The Edison survey clearly shows that the dems have major problems, even with their base (black people), that they need to fix NOW.  Honestly, 90% of the gripes have nothing to do with race!  Ignoring this data, and blaming Trump's increase (although slight) in black's voting for him on rappers is dumb and dangerous!  

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