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    Its been 8 years since ive seen members of the right use the stock market as a measure of anything political. Good times.
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    I do wholeheartedly agree about any Russian propaganda that is proved to be so. What you seem unwilling to accept is some of us do not place the same level of trust (putting it mildly) in American news outlets as you do. I do not trust CNN at all. I think that there are liars, propagandists, and rank hypocrites permeating and infecting that **** show of a network from top to bottom. This is usually where you go off the rails, but save it. They've earned every bit of the scorn and distrust I hold for them a thousand times over. They even know and worry that they've gone too far, but that ship has long since sailed. I'm not telling you to not trust them, but I won't be told that I should, and to have the burden of proof laid upon me to ferret out instances of their dishonesty is just not something I'm willing to do anymore because as I've stated before, whom can we trust to accurately report such instances? Those who do are dismissed as right wing "not news" sites, so I'm just tired of the merry go round. You get your news from those you trust, and I'll get it from who I semi, sometimes trust, and that ain't CNN or the New York Times. I do see this as something of an impasse, because I distrust those outlets that you trust probably every bit as much as you do sites like The Drudge Report. To pretend otherwise would be disingenuous, but the thing is, they lost that trust through their actions. I didn't just take it away. You can tell me to take my tinfoil hat off or whatever, but I'm not exactly alone in reaching this conclusion. Again, they've earned every bit of this
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    As your brother pointed out, Alt-right is quickly becoming a meaningless, catch-all pejorative like neocon was ten years ago.
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    I think there is among most people. I don't think anyone wants Russia influencing our elections regardless of how much schadenfreude comes from it. But I also agree that it's not like this started with this electoral cycle. You can't brush past the very real issues that things like fake news reveal -- there IS a huge distrust in most of America toward the news media, Hollywood, etc. There just is. That Russian interests may have tapped into that distrust to influence an election here may be a convenient distraction (and I don't think anyone has said "OMG Trump wouldn't have won but for THIS," AND we know leftists have been involved in spreading fake news too). But take away Russia's supposed influence and all the fake news sites and everything else and you're still left with a problem. It seems to me instead of lashing out for boogeymen to blame, the media might take a look at itself and ask why people trust fake news more than them. Hollywood might take a look in the mirror and ask why people in the heartland look at them with disdain. The distrust is real, and it comes from the way media covers things in this country. The media and Hollywood foster discontent and divisiveness for ratings. The media and Hollywood take sides that go against what most Americans believe on a range of issues. I am convinced it is more for money than principle, though I think it self-evident that most in the media and Hollywood are also leftists, so there is some degree of inherent bias there too. Then the media and Hollywood wring all their collective hands when the rest of the country says "gee, this fake news site seems more credible to me than you do." Is that an outrageous result? Sure it is. Is it going to help matters for the NYT, CNN, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, etc., to blame the people whose trust they betrayed? Doubtful. You want trust, you have to be trustworthy. The media hasn't been that for 30 years. Adding Fox News in for the "other side" so to speak hasn't changed that. If anything, it's made it worse. A few pages back I posted a long discussion about how middle America looks at politics. I think it would do some of these folks some good to go spend some time in little country towns, IF they'd do it with an open mind. But they won't. Because their elitism won't let them. And that's why their side lost this election and that even is just a symptom of the real problem -- they have a side to begin with. You can't look down your nose with disdain on the vast majority of the country and then express shock and outrage when those people no longer trust you to provide better news than a fake news site.
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    Yeah there was a big blow up on some of the Reddits and twitters about this when Trump disavowed the Nazi element. What Watson is calling the new right. Which is a very eclectic group were telling the Nazi fringes to dump their leadership and get right. It is a interesting story how these groups got kind of intertwined. That is why I posted the video talking about how this really all got kicked off in that Hillary speech. It was kind of a plan by the more new right element to get pushed out into the public with bad publicity in order to just lure people in. Then red-pill them as they call it. That is why months ago in the old thread I posted the Watson video of that Clinton speech where he told them they had walked into a trap. Ah I can not wait to tell my Grand kids how a goofy meme effected an election and changed the course of a country and possibly the world. You can not make this stuff up. MSM got their ***** kicked by internet trolls and **** posters. Greatest election EVER!
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    Why not? Democrats used cooked unemployment numbers as evidence of their success over their last 8 years. Then had the nerve to be shocked when the rust belt told them to get bent.
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    Pretty spot on. I do like my memes and MAGA hat.
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    Remember that time Sarah Kliff, who always writes stories that are sympathetic to abortion rights, said the Kermit Gosnell story wasn't worth her time because she covers "policy" and not "local crime?" Good times.
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    The Stark Contrast Between GOP’s Self-Criticism in 2012 and Democrats’ Blame-Everyone-Else Posture Now Glenn Greenwald November 18 2016, 7:29 a.m. IT IS NOT an exaggeration to say that the Democratic Party is in shambles as a political force. Not only did it just lose the White House to a wildly unpopular farce of a candidate despite a virtually unified establishment behind it, and not only is it the minority party in both the Senate and House, but it is getting crushed at historical record rates on the state and local levels as well. Surveying this wreckage last week, party stalwart Matthew Yglesias of Vox minced no words: “The Obama years have created a Democratic Party that’s essentially a smoking pile of rubble.” One would assume that the operatives and loyalists of such a weak, defeated, and wrecked political party would be eager to engage in some introspection and self-critique, and to produce a frank accounting of what they did wrong so as to alter their plight. In the case of 2016 Democrats, one would be quite mistaken. Graphic: The New York Times At least thus far, there is virtually no evidence of any such intention. Quite the contrary, Democrats have spent the last 10 days flailing around blaming everyone except for themselves, constructing a carousel of villains and scapegoats — from Julian Assange, Vladimir Putin, James Comey, the electoral college, “fake news,” and Facebook, to Susan Sarandon, Jill Stein, millennials, Bernie Sanders, Clinton-critical journalists, and, most of all, insubordinate voters themselves — to blame them for failing to fulfill the responsibility that the Democratic Party, and it alone, bears: to elect Democratic candidates. This Accept-No-Responsibility, Blame-Everyone-Else posture stands in stark contrast to how the Republican National Committee reacted in 2012, after it lost the popular vote for the fifth time in six presidential elections. RNC Chairman Reince Priebus called Mitt Romney’s loss “a wake-up call,” and he was scathing about his party’s failures: “There’s no one reason we lost. Our message was weak; our ground game was insufficient; we weren’t inclusive; we were behind in both data and digital; our primary and debate process needed improvement. … So, there’s no one solution: There’s a long list of them.” The RNC’s willingness to admit its own failures led to a comprehensive 1oo-page report, issued only a few months after its 2012 defeat, that was unflinching in its self-critique. One of the report’s co-chairs, GOP strategist Sally Bradshaw, warned upon issuance of the “autopsy” that “public perception of our party is at record lows. Young voters are increasingly rolling their eyes at what the party represents and many minorities think Republicans don’t like them or don’t want them in our country.” The report itself also took aim at the GOP’s chosen candidate, containing analysis that was “pointed in its critique of Mitt Romney, specifically pointing to his ‘self deportation’ comment as turning off Hispanic voters.” The report began by warning that at the federal level, the GOP “is increasingly marginalizing itself, and unless changes are made, it will be increasingly difficult for Republicans to win another presidential election in the near future.” Rather than maligning the voters who rejected his party, Preibus accepted responsibility for losing them: “To those who have left the party, let me say this, we want to earn your trust again, to those who have yet to trust us, we welcome you with open arms.” One irony of 2016 is that the candidate who won the GOP nomination, and ultimately the presidency, not only ignored many of the autopsy’s core recommendations but embodied everything it warned against. Nonetheless, the reaction of Republican officials after 2012 was to accept responsibility for their loss, admit their own fundamental errors, and vow to fix what was wrong with themselves: the exact antithesis of the instinct Democrats have thus far displayed in the face of a much more sweeping and crushing defeat. THE SELF-EXONERATING MENTALITY of Democrats is particularly remarkable in light of how comprehensive their failures have been. After the 2012 election, the GOP immersed itself in unflinching self-critique even though it still held a majority in the House and dominated governorships and state houses. By rather stark contrast, the Democrats have now been crushed at all levels of electoral politics, yet appear more self-righteously impressed with themselves, more vindicated in their messaging and strategic choices, than ever before. While Democrats point fingers at anyone they can find, the evidence mounts that all critical sectors of their party’s apparatus fundamentally failed. Their renowned strategic geniuses were blinded with arrogance and error: “David Plouffe, who ran Obama’s 2008 campaign, said that Clinton was a ‘one hundred per cent’ lock and advised nervous Democrats to stop ‘wetting the bed,’” reports The New Yorker’s David Remnick this week. The party’s operatives and pundits used bullying tactics to clear the field for an obviously weak and vulnerable candidate, and then insisted on nominating her despite those weaknesses, many of which were self-inflicted, and in the face of mountains of empirical evidencethat her primary-race opponent was more likely to win; Remnick writes: Clinton’s campaign staff, drowning in a sense of inevitability and entitlement (again), ignored pleasfrom worried local officials for more resources to states that proved decisive. The Democratic Party’s last two chairs were compelled to resign in scandal (one from CNN, the other from the DNC itself). And the party is widely perceived to be devoted to elite Wall Street tycoons and war-making interests at the expense of pretty much everyone else, and chose a candidate who could not have been better designed to exacerbate those concerns if that had been the goal. As Steve Bannon put it: “Hillary Clinton was the perfect foil for Trump’s [anti-establishment] message.” In sum, there is a large list of fundamental, systemic problems with virtually every aspect of the Democratic Party. Those are the deficiencies that explain its monumental electoral defeats. Acknowledging one’s own responsibility for failure is always difficult, which is why scapegoating and finger-pointing at others is so tempting. The Democrats’ failures need not be permanent. The two parties’ fortunes are often cyclical; after 2004, many Republicans believed they had created a permanent majority, and then many Democrats believed the same after their own sweeping victories of 2006 and 2008. Democrats have won the popular vote in six out of the last seven elections. Had Clinton won the electoral college as expected, and been able to control the next Supreme Court appointment(s), Democrats would have controlled two of the three branches of government, and one could have plausibly argued that they were the dominant political faction in the U.S., at least at the federal level. So none of this is irreversible. But as is true of anyone who wants to reverse their own failures, Democrats need to accept responsibility and blame, and stop pretending that they were just the victims of other people’s failures and bad acts. They’re not divinely entitled to support from voters, nor to an unimpeded march to victory for their preferred candidate, nor to a press that in unison turns itself into Vox or a Saturday morning MSNBC show by suppressing reporting that reflects negatively on them and instead confines itself to hagiography. In fact, this entitlement syndrome that is leading them to blame everyone but themselves should be added very near the top of the list of self-critiques they need to begin working promptly to address.
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    I was talking about this with my wife the other day. Not everyone is cut out for college. That's not a shot at any person's intelligence. It's just to say, some are better students than others. We used to admire tradesman that worked with their hands. Now they are dismissed as uneducated beer swillers who must be protected from their own menial aspirations and have their life decisions made for them by the more enlightened among us. Trade schools should absolutely be pushed and promoted again. How did we get to the point that plumbers and carpenters are looked down upon by baristas and customer service representatives ( i.e. coffee jockeys and cashiers)?
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    No this is your defense of it. By all means I would you like to define American news sources though, and then show us just how many Americans are invested in them. Sadly they are owned by several big conglomerates with many investors. I'm sure they all have the average Joe's best interest at heart though, because they told us so. I'm dancing around giddily because people are breaking their conditioning and actually beginning to think for themselves, and ask questions. Who owns a big chunk of the NY Times? Would it be Carlos Slim? We understand you guys do not like Putin and want to blame everything on him, but we largely do not buy it. Yes the world is changing and the gatekeepers are not happy about it. It is not our fault we trusted them at one time and they have betrayed us. They call us names like uneducated, deplorable, irredeemable, racist, bigots, poor, ignorant. Then you expect people to have any respect for anything they say when they have been caught in their lies. Good luck with that.
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    If your party was not nuts and a large segment of it outright racist, then I would agree with you, but alas Bring on Keith Ellison
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    http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-black-friday-michigan-avenue-protests-1124-biz-20161123-story.html I'm hoping to see this when the family goes to the mall Friday. ....haven't played Red Rover since Elementary school.
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    I warned him that Obama and Clinton being in MI that last week was not a very good sign. You could look where they were at the last 2 weeks and knew they were in panic mode while DT was looking to flip states.
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    Sure. It's not like democrats wouldn't be blaming him if stocks tanked after his election.
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    Braves made a pretty cool announcement. Everyone's favorite usher of the last 50 years in Atlanta Walter Banks will work at SunTrust. The Braves partnered with Uber to arrange free transportation to and from SunTrust throughout the season for Mr. Banks.
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    20-30 guys with questionable ethics, not many women around and no one seems to want to grab Rosita by the p...y. That's almost as believable as the Zombie phenomenon itself...
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    every episode this season has been incredibly drawn out. I didn't mind in the first episode because it played to the situation, suspense, and tension. now its just old and tired
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    "In my line of work when you're on your knees, they don't give you bubblegum!" Prophetic, given Negan's parting shot to Rick.
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    I wonder what a poll of Democrats asking whether "assault weapons" are machine guns would show? Remember when CNN ran that spot? I'm not defending birtherism. But pretending CNN doesn't flat lie through their teeth to prop up their bull**** political causes is simply false.
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    Democratic party has ties to Reservations, Plantations, the Klan, and the modern iteration Sanctuary Cities.
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    Yes, CNN absolutely did say Steve Bannon is a white supremacist (okay, sorry, they said he has "ties" to white supremacism, which I'm sure means he TOTALLY isn't a white supremacist himself). I don't have a link because it was on their broadcast, but I heard it with my own ears and posted it in this thread when it happened. You don't have to believe it, and I don't care if you do or not. Willful ignorance is still ignorance. You hear what you want to hear. Also, SB debunked your constant demands for a link when he asked you one for a while back and you gave the exact same response I'm giving now -- it was on a broadcast, not a link. So let's stop the "link or it didn't happen" charade.
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    Post-election, as I said, I put CNN in this basket. They revealed themselves in a big, big way. Your main point is correct -- it is a sad situation where people trust fake news sites and alternate media that doesn't do fact-checking, etc., over the main networks. But I think the point some of us are making is this is a situation of those media outlets' own making. They want us to trust them, but they, too, are untrustworthy. Not in the sense of posting fake news, but in the sense that they allow bias and concerns for ratings to drive the stories they tell. In a very real sense, they aren't news organizations at all anymore. The first rule of journalism is "don't become the story," and every single one of them become the story every time they publish a story. They always have an angle, because it's no longer about information. It's about ratings, and nothing stirs up ratings better than discontent and divisiveness. That's an ugly reflection on us too, by the way. In suggesting the media outlets need to look in the mirror instead of pointing fingers, the rest of us should as well.
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    Dayum JDaveG, you take the thoughts right out of my head and post them. Your a G.Dayum genius...
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    You know sb, I think we've all been very magnanimous about Trump winning (those of us who voted for him) but I'm at the point where I'm starting not to feel sorry for these punch bowl floaters...just sayin'
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    This is simple... Russian government propaganda outlets (like RT) helped spread the fake news from fake outlets with the expressed intent of hurting Clinton's electoral chances. People on these boards posted a LOT of those fake news stories. They were spreading Russian propaganda. Those same people, including you, are now dancing around giddily talking about how credible news sources - American news sources, not Russian propaganda - are somehow "fake". This ought to cause a lot of concern for people regardless of political party. We have people on these boards, on Facebook, and other social media spreading Russian propaganda while denouncing American news outlets as "fake". That's not good.
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    Texas has screwed itself. It is so obvious Strong isn't a fit there. Now if reports are true they will have missed out on Herman. Strong won't last the entire season next year
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    We did a lot of making jokes. My niece made the comment something was "good capital in lady land", I told her "Trump won we nuked lady land". Her husband told her "he has a job, in Trumps America he can nap when he wants to".
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    The real problem with this country: Everything is a friggin' protest now...
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    Not all of 4chan is neo nazi. There are elements of that scattered all around the internet and most of those are probably doing more RPing on line than anything. This is becoming the Democrat talking point trying to fragment a real political movement that had lots of groups coming together. Now the best thing they can try to do is fragment it and take them down one at a time. Ignore them you know how you feel and have no need to defend it. No one is getting put in any camps. We just want reasonable immigration and those here illegally to not jam the system for Americans and legal immigrants. Not to mention most legal immigrants want immigration laws enforced mainly because they realize what it can do and the type of people that do it. As far as Trump goes do not let them turn you against him either. He has been several moves ahead of them this whole election and he still is. He has a strategy to get where he wants to go and is putting the pieces in place so he can tactically get to his goal.
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    Speaking of laughing Clinton County Close 100% Reporting R D. Trump 53.3% 21,635 D H. Clinton 40.7% 16,490 L G. Johnson 4.6% 1,885 G J. Stein 0.9% 379 U D. Castle 0.4% 157 N E. Soltysik 0.0% 18 http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/michigan/
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    I know W took more days, but since the bulk were extended stays at his ranch, I have no idea how much more\less his travel expenses were than those of Obama. The only part that ever bugged me was the separate flights. WFW already mentioned the trip to LA, there was also Martha's Vineyard and a return flight from Hawaii. This was in the midst of a horrible recession, and as they were in many instances, they were clueless, blind, and oblivious to the optics of their conduct. http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2011/08/19/michelles-separate-travel-costs-taxpayers-thousands/ Michelle Obama and President Obama traveled to Martha’s Vineyard just hours apart, costing taxpayers thousands in additional expenses so she could have just a bit of extra vacation time. Mrs. Obama and her daughters arrived just before 2 pm Thursday on a U.S. government jet, according to the Martha’s Vineyard Times, which got its information from the local airport. The first lady’s office has been silent on her travel. President Obama arrived in the evening along with the family dog Bo. The extra costs related to Mrs. Obama’s solo trip mainly include the flight on a specially designed military aircraft she took instead of Air Force One, as well as any extra staff and Secret Service that had to be enlisted to go with her. She would also have had her own motorcade from the airport to her vacation residence. Mrs. Obama’s separate jet travel sends the wrong message on a host of issues, from global warming to the budget deficit to the economy – in which currently so many people can’t afford to take a vacation at all. This is not the first time Michelle has gone on vacation ahead of the president on the taxpayers’ tab. Last December, she racked up what was likely more than $100,000 in expenses leaving early for their Hawaii vacation.
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    I never judged them on what they cost the taxpayers even when they took separate AF-1 trips to Hawaii at $1 MIL a pop. Every POTUS in recent times has exceeded their expense/travel allowances. I personally know a story from a SS agent friend of mine (and I was there to witness it firsthand) that Dubya used to take Marine-1 to USDA's compound in Maryland to ride his mountain bike on a specially designed gravel trail they had on the compound. You would've liked Dubya (the man) maybe not the POTUS because he was a very gracious and humble man. I've had several chance meeting with him, also one at the Texas Rangers game one of the times I was down in Arlington.
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    Good God these people are nuts. The dems are eating their own young. No wonder the party is losing seats like water through a sieve. They're not going to change, they are destroying their party along with the help of the SCM.
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    I agree with this up to the point where there is a difference between the protest/rioting, injuries, and property damage in the streets. There is no comparison there.
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    When do the buccies cut their kicker (whom they moved up in the 2nd round to get) is now 3-7 in attempts this season?