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    I feel bad that the guy died but why did he resist when they put the cuffs on him? Of course, the police are going to get him on the ground and cuff him anyway. That's what they are supposed to do. They didn't punch him, kick him or do anything abusive. It is sad he died but he should have kept quiet and simply asked to leave and if denied ask if he was being put under arrest and what charge. From there, let a lawyer handle it. When you get all animated and put up a fight swinging arms, you've created your own problem. Some of the descriptives in that article simply don't match the video. Notice at the beginning the two officers are just standing there, not confrontational at all. No raised voices at all except for Garner's voice. When the cops decide to make an arrest, he doesn't get to say "don't touch me, don't touch me". They are going to cuff you whether you want them to or not, whether you believe it's justified or not. When you resist, that "chokehold" is a textbook maneuver as it quickly subdues an agitated suspect. Again, it's extremely sad that he died but to try to blame the officers for this one is just incorrect...
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    Police applied an unapproved move and a man died. They took him down with this unauthorized move when he was talking, not fighting, and outnumbered by a lot, for allegedly selling 25 cent cigs. I just don't see siding with the cops here.
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    If you watch the video, there's no way to see the guy is foaming at the mouth. He was still talking saying he can't breathe after the cop released the choke, and the cop that was choking him was on his back until they could get him down. The dude was about 400lbs, and the cops struggled to get him down on the ground. Honestly, when I first started watching the video, I thought the cop sounded weak and scared, more whiny than authoritative. It was a different cop that came along and took him down. All in all, the guy wasn't complying with police. The whiny cop said he saw him sell a pack of cigarettes to somebody else and they did try to tell him he was under arrest. When they tried to cuff him, the guy pulled his arm away from the cop saying don't touch me, which is when the cop put the choke on him. The cop had the choke hold on him for a total of 13 seconds. Once he was down, he released the choke and was holding his face against the ground. In my opinion, this was not police brutality or excessive use of force. It's sad that the dude died over something so petty, but I can't blame the cops on this one. If I was a cop and I had to arrest a 400lb man, I don't see what else the cop could've done once he snatched his arm away when they tried to cuff him. The link is down due to copyright infringement. It's up on the news website. Link. http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/staten-island-man-dies-puts-choke-hold-article-1.1871486
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    Except he wasn't choked to death--he had a heart attack. The guy released the "choke hold" once the guy was on the ground and then held his head in place against the ground (which is what cops are instructed to do in a resist incident). I could understand the outrage if they punched, kicked him, tazed him repeatedly or any of those things but they simply took him to the ground and cuffed him. I can't see blaming people for doing what they are instructed to do. What else could they have done to arrest him? They weren't aggressive at all towards him until he resisted and then they did a bare minimum. Let's be honest, one of those little dudes wasn't going to take down a 400 lb giant of man without some assistance..
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    The video doesn't show the foaming at the mouth described by the witness but the guy was still talking when they released the choke hold so I'm finding it hard to believe he was foaming at the mouth simultaneously. The first thing I always do in these kinds of instances is ask what could they have reasonably done differently and I can't think of a single thing that could be done differently as it was all textbook. I honestly expected to see them wailing away on him but not a single punch is thrown, just a tackle and subduing to cuff. No yelling and screaming at the guy at all. I feel bad that the guy died but I also think it's wrong to blame people who actually did their job correctly, ya know?