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  2. I think they're close physically, but White gets the edge to me due to productivity. He's ranked higher on just about every big board. Pretty close though: Bush - 5'11", 234 lbs, 9.63" hands, 32.00" arms, 4.43 forty, 21 bench reps, 6.93 3-Cone, 40.5" vertical, 10'4" broad jump, 32 games, 172 tackles, 18.5 TFLs, 10.0 sacks, 1 INT, 11 PDs, 0 FFs, 0 FRs White - 6'0", 237 lbs, 9.75" hands, 32.13" arms, 4.42 forty, 22 bench reps, 7.07 3-Cone, 39.5" vertical, 9'10" broad jump, 34 games, 286 tackles, 28.5 TFLs, 8.5 sacks, 1 INT, 9 PDs, 3 FFs, 4 FRs I'd be happy with either one of em, but White is my favorite of the two. I think he's got a slightly higher ceiling.
  3. The signing has ZERO downside and has ZERO effect on the draft. If he doesn't make the team, who cares?
  4. This is so sad it's not even funny anymore.
  5. Agree, this could have been put on my Hageman thread that exploded with so many “likes” that the computer screen lights up in red when you open it. hate all you want bro, most absolutely loved my thread. Very few threads in a month get that many likes.
  6. We had a meeting with him before the draft. Just wasn't reported until we picked him.
  7. Takk was another. Coach Quinn and Coach Mora connection from their time with the Seahawks probably played a big part.
  8. Its really ridiculous to me how he is being viewed. They are acting like he was a bargain basement FA or undrafted FA or somthing. Dude was a 2nd round pick and really a 1st round talent. He was simply RAW! Raw isnt bad as he showed plenty of RAW power and RAW ability to fight through OL. He did more than flash.....he almost exclusively dominated a few series. He ragdolled probowlers and split double teams. A lot of this he made look easy. Dude is a young man with loads of potential. STILL!! His body is preserved from not being banged up in 2 yrs. He has an even higher ceiling than Grady. Not saying he will get there but his size, quickness, and length are a special combination. Callin him a camp body or doubting he will make the team is off base and just a bad opinion that dismisses the evidence.
  9. Yea I stay out of that. I was happy they gave him another chance. I believe his play in the playoffs was huge for us. But that was 2016. He has to prove he can get back to that level and then some. I’m not too down on him and I’m not too high on him. Just be good lol.
  10. Ridley was the only exception in the first and that was only because his OC from the previous year was our OC at the time and no one thought he would still be there at our pick
  11. Although I don’t want him, I can see Quinn and Dimitroff using Sarkisian and Flood to get inside information on Jonah Williams w/o it being leaked out to the media.
  12. One primary offender moreso than others
  13. There you go with facts again. You stop that!
  14. What Trump's done is treason, it doesn't take the Mueller report to know that
  15. You know I’m in that camp as well. I’m pulling for him big time. ****, I’ve gotten 3-4”second chances” over my own lifetime. But these all or nothing threads in here on Hageman have gotten a little ridiculous.
  16. Folks can easily argue a lot of stuff, but doesn’t make them right...
  17. I just want him to add to the competition. If he makes it I’m cool. If he doesn’t I’m cool. I just believe in second chances. I got one and made the best of it. Ppl don’t like giving second chances until they need one. Then it’s a different story. Him being in camp can’t hurt at all. But it can show if he can be an asset. And it still doesn’t change draft plans. If they want Oliver they will still get him. That’s why I want anyway. I want shede to make it AND we still grab Oliver. Just makes us stronger up front. My take anyway.
  18. TB should, but they should have drafted Derwin James last year too...
  19. They'd be crazy not to. Him and Lavonte would make a stout tandem.
  20. Touki was sent to AAA, Bryse Wilson called up.
  21. In all of DQ's drafts there has been one or two players he's drafted that wasn't reported that we had interest in. In this year's draft I believe that player is Khalen Saunders. It's a position of need and he could be in play. I really think we stay at 14 and go OL. Saunders would be a good pick in rd 3.
  22. One thing I’ve learned in life in general is nerve count anybody out. One thing you can’t measure is heart. The odds are against him but if he’s anything like me he’ll prove all naysayers wrong. And the Vick thing does have a little credibility because neither fame back from injury. Vick has his best completion percentage after being out of the league for two years. He played the position better than he ever did as a falcon as a passer. That’s a fact. But he also changed his approach to the game and actually watched film. I don’t know if hag will make it but I do know he was never injured. If he kept himself in decent shape it won’t be all that difficult for a non injured player to come back. Ricky williams did it after 4 years out of the league. Hag is an athletic freak so he already had an edge over players that aren’t so physically blessed. The last thing is he’s not expected to be a main piece. Just a rotational piece that helps. Like he was when he was first here. His signing doesn’t change the draft and I still hope they get Oliver. If hag works out he makes the from rotation stronger. Especially on run sets. If anything all he needs to do is out muscle guys in the run game. Like you I’ve watched enough football as well as playing for a long time myself to know that the unexpected happens too. Comebacks happen. Second chances happen. Ppl have made the best of comebacks. OJ Anderson was counted out. Randall Cunningham was counted out. Robert Edwards came back after they said he wouldn’t walk again and might have to get his leg amputated. The deck is stacked against him no doubt and he’s at the bottom but I at least think he can beat out Zimmer and Bennet. That’s who he’s competing with. Plaxeco came back after what? 4 years and played decent. I’m not disagreeing with your take. Just stating that it’s not an impossible feat.
  23. I like pibb xtra.
  24. Agree...Petty boorish behavior on both sides.
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