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"Repealing" Obamacare...campaign rhetoric meets political reality.

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By Theodore Bunker   |   Tuesday, 03 Jan 2017 11:34 AM

 

The majority of Americans want President Barack Obama's signature healthcare law repealed and replaced according to pollster Frank Luntz.

"The people do want Obamacare repealed but they want an alternative put in its place," Luntz told Fox News' "Fox & Friends" host Steve Doocy.

 

The overwhelming majority of Republicans, 96 percent, want the Affordable Care Act repealed. Most Democrats, 84 percent, say the same, as do swing voters by a 3-2 margin.

Conservative legislators are eager to "pull Obamacare up by the roots as if it never existed," Luntz told PBS in December. "They would say that Obama's plan has failed."

 

According to his latest poll, Americans want to see Obamacare repealed immediately, but can wait for its replacement.

"Half of Americans will wait a year to make sure that it's done step by step. They don't want any mistakes. They don't want it rushed," he said.

"They don't want it politicized. They want a personalized, human approach to health care and they expect Republicans to fix the mistakes in Obamacare. Make it more affordable, give people control and give people the choice of health care that they deserve. They have a year to do it."

 

According to Luntz, the voters supported Trump because they're uninterested in compromise, and therefore Republicans should stick to their campaign promises.

 

"My advice for the GOP? Stay the course. You know what you promised the American people during the election. You have to deliver it. Some within 100 days and some in the first year. Listen and learn with the voters and be their voice.

"If the Republican majority is the voice of the American people in Washington they will be returned to office."

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From the OP:

Second, the notion of repealing the law has never been popular.  Kaiser poll has 49% of people supporting repeal and 46% opposed.  But, among that 49% who favor "repeal", only 20% favor repealing immediately while 28% favor a replacement.  CBS polls asked a similar questions - should Congress keep the law, change the law, or repeal the law entirely.  10% said keep the law, 62% said change the law, and only 24% said repeal entirely.  Pew has a similar breakdown with 39% supporting expanding the law, 15% support keeping it as-is, and 39% support repealing it.  Though again, the last response also includes people who want to replace the law.  

Moreover, Kaiser has been asking a question about repealing, expanding, keeping as-is, and scaling it back for several years.  Repeal was never popular in their poll, with support ranging from 27-35%.  Expanding was almost as popular as repeal while support for keeping the ACA "as-is" ranged from 15-23%, and scaling back stayed in the low to mid-teens.  

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2 minutes ago, Billy Ocean said:

This is what happened to Democrats after they passed Obamacare:

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It is not so much as it passing as it eas the inability for them (aIl of them) to get out in front of the rhetoric.

From the start people stiI beleived that the law included things like death panels and that you would go to jail if you did not have coverage.

They did not do enough to stem off hyperbole and rhetoric.

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1 minute ago, falconsd56 said:

In fact at the time there was a larger percentage of people than you would think who did not know that obamacare and the Aca were one in the same.....

There's a great video segment from one of the late night shows where they walked around on the sidewalk asking people about Obamacare vs. the ACA.  You can imagine how it went . . .

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Obamacare did nothing to address health care costs, or improve quality or change health care's dysfunctional delivery system.

It was chiefly designed to benefit the private insurance industry. 

Really just a terrible piece of legislation all the way around.

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6 minutes ago, mdrake34 said:

There's a great video segment from one of the late night shows where they walked around on the sidewalk asking people about Obamacare vs. the ACA.  You can imagine how it went . . .

Jimmy Kimmel's "Six of One" segment.  Love it.  

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2 hours ago, Billy Ocean said:

This is what happened to Democrats after they passed Obamacare:

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I'd argue there are many other factors at work there. I dont think "Obamacare" was the main engine. 

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1 hour ago, Billy Ocean said:

Obamacare did nothing to address health care costs, or improve quality or change health care's dysfunctional delivery system.

It was chiefly designed to benefit the private insurance industry. 

Really just a terrible piece of legislation all the way around.

I think it was always going to be a less-than-ideal piece of legislation. However, I think it's incorrect to suggest that it did nothing to address health care costs or improve quality. The delivery system stuff is cloudier. 

Unfortunately, our HC economy is built upon private insurance. So it should be no surprise that the private insurance industry stood to benefit. But people talking about fixing healthcare need to have an open and honest discussion with each other about expectations and realistic goal-setting. Frankly, I'm becoming more and more of the mind that it's a problem without a solution at all. 

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3 hours ago, Billy Ocean said:

Obamacare did nothing to address health care costs, or improve quality or change health care's dysfunctional delivery system.

It was chiefly designed to benefit the private insurance industry. 

Really just a terrible piece of legislation all the way around.

And most of us that were sensible knew this before the bill was signed into law.  One thing you didn't address which needs mentioning, it was also a redistribution of money from people who really didn't need healthcare per se (young healthy people) to people who were either old or already (preexisting conditions) were sick.  No way was that going to lower premiums for the average consumer.  

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Heres how you replace obamacare

Low income people/families below a certain threshhold are given access to a government healthcare or subsidy if they want it.  

Everyone else: all healthcare is opened up like car insurance across all states. Any company in any state can compete to lower the prices you know that free market thingie. No mandate. 

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Pre existing conditions cannot be refused by law, by making it insurance discrimination and predatory practice. 

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1 minute ago, Worzone said:

Heres how you replace obamacare

Low income people/families below a certain threshhold are given access to a government healthcare or subsidy if they want it.  

Everyone else: all healthcare is opened up like car insurance across all states. Any company in any state can compete to lower the prices you know that free market thingie. No mandate. 

Yes, this is basically how it used to work.  We needed to fix the 15%, not the 85%.  One caveat though, their were a couple of thing like preexisting conditions, and a person should not be dropped due to catastrophe illness.  

This thing is not as complicated as the Dems made it out to be.  Certainly not 2700 pages with rising astronomical costs difficult.  

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7 hours ago, mdrake34 said:

Is this fake?

 

Where the problem come in is not repealing and replacing the ACA it is all the regulations. Sadly if you had the bill the supreme court voted on you do not have the version that is in effect. It had several major rewrites after that. It will take 60 votes in the Senate to repeal those regulations. I think he has 2 choices here. He can repeal it and walk away from it till pressure mounts on senators to repeal the regulations or walk away from it all together and let democrats own it. Either way I think he can get the votes if he applies the pressure.

I'm happy getting government out of healthcare all together and just opening competition. That and some torque reform would go a long way on making it more affordable.

You may want to run this article by snopes if he is not too busy embezzling money and cheating on his wife with a porn star.

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6 hours ago, Billy Ocean said:

Obamacare did nothing to address health care costs, or improve quality or change health care's dysfunctional delivery system.

It was chiefly designed to benefit the private insurance industry. 

Really just a terrible piece of legislation all the way around.

Careful or someone will think you are a conspiracy theorist. All the people talking about what a giant screw job it was are still wrong. Obama just said so on TV!

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Here's a question that maybe somebody can answer.

Republicans passed over 60 bills to repeal Obamacare.  Obviously Obama wouldn't sign those bills, but now they have a president who will sign it.  Why can't they just take any one of those 60 bills that passed both chambers of Congress and put that on the president's desk?  They already wrote those bills and all of them can get passed in Congress easily (they were passed over 60 times already), so why are they still muddling around with this repeal effort?  

I don't understand that.  

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On 1/10/2017 at 5:51 PM, Billy Ocean said:

Democrats had a supermajority and yet there were no cost controls, drug price negotiation or public option -- all they did was fellate insurance companies. Sad!

My only guess was they wanted this to lead to a single payer, which they would've pursued under a Clinton administration, after the ACA collapsed under it's own weight.  

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On 1/10/2017 at 3:51 PM, Billy Ocean said:

Democrats had a supermajority and yet there were no cost controls, drug price negotiation or public option -- all they did was fellate insurance companies. Sad!

Democrats only had a supermajority between September 2009 and January 2010.  They had delayed passing the bill to negotiate with Republicans over the summer 2009 and passed the bills initially in December 2009, but it still required conference committees to iron out the differences.  Those discussions dragged past Scott Brown's election in January 2010, so the Democrats didn't have as much of a chance to pass their legislation as people think.

Also, centrist Democrats refused to go along with a more aggressive bill and so Democrats had to appease them in order to break the filibuster.  A party cannot get 60 seats in the Senate without having some moderates in their caucus.  You're never going to have a solid 60 conservative or liberal senators who will just go along with the party, in other words.  That's yet another reason that I think we should eliminate the filibuster.

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On 1/10/2017 at 3:35 PM, Leon Troutsky said:

Jimmy Kimmel's "Six of One" segment.  Love it.  

Just looked it up on YouTube... funny stuff

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On 1/10/2017 at 3:24 PM, falconsd56 said:

It is not so much as it passing as it eas the inability for them (aIl of them) to get out in front of the rhetoric.

From the start people stiI beleived that the law included things like death panels and that you would go to jail if you did not have coverage.

They did not do enough to stem off hyperbole and rhetoric.

I don't think that's true at all.  People who believed the law was socialist or contained death panels were partisans who were never going to support it.

What killed off Obamacare was glitches in the rollout of the website, inefficiencies in choice of coverage, declining options (there are only two health insurance options in Georgia right now under the ACA) and rising costs.  Obamacare is unpopular because it is not working.  That's not hyperbole and rhetoric, that's fact.

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