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We'll get a kings ransom for millsap IF it happens.. but until it does it's all hearsay 

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Sap wants to be here but I don't who is willing to give us a bomb azz deal for him. I would prefer us addressing to 2 and 3 spots. Maybe they are just seeing what the market is for Sap.

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24 minutes ago, blkbigdog35 said:

Sap wants to be here but I don't who is willing to give us a bomb azz deal for him. I would prefer us addressing to 2 and 3 spots. Maybe they are just seeing what the market is for Sap.

Couldn't agree more.. personally think THJ is ready to start.. and good to see Bembry getting some burn 

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2 hours ago, TheTrue7 said:

Couldn't agree more.. personally think THJ is ready to start.. and good to see Bembry getting some burn 

I would play prince and bembry more. THJ needs to be starting.

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On Thursday, January 05, 2017 at 11:27 PM, VoiceofReason95 said:

You would get it if Millsap was gone. If Millsap goes the play of this team is going to drop off BIG TIME. Like may not even win 10 more games this season big time. Every wing on the team feeds off of playing off of big men, and Howard is not a passing big man.

Howard is the MAIN reason why Kyle/Kent are not playing well. Kyle and Kent spent every night eating off of Horford's passing. On a team without a superstar or a passing center, EVERY WING ON THIS TEAM IS NOTHING!

That's crazy, Dwight is far from perfect but Baze and Korver are not playing well because they are what they are. 

Kent and Kyle were also not playing well last year WITH Al so to place the blame squarely on Dwight is ridiculous.

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2 hours ago, jayu70 said:

That's crazy, Dwight is far from perfect but Baze and Korver are not playing well because they are what they are. 

Kent and Kyle were also not playing well last year WITH Al so to place the blame squarely on Dwight is ridiculous.

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I hope the trade works to start getting assets.  The Hawks have cap space, If they keep dealing then they get more assets.  In the offseason, we can still go after some of these traded players like Thabo, Sap while adding to the team with the assets.  The Hawks are not going to get past the second round.  We will see but I will still support and suffer.     

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I'm hoping this trade will be very beneficial but with Sap and Thabo playing well they are interesting trade pieces for other teams but I would rather keep them.

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Hawks have reportedly named their price in a Paul Millsap trade

 

By James Herbert

CBSSports.com | 2017-01-07 20:20:00


 

Everybody around the NBA knows that Paul Millsap is available, but the Atlanta Hawks' asking price has been hard to pinpoint. A league source with knowledge of the situation told CBS Sports that the Hawks are pursuing both young players and draft picks in return for Millsap. Which young players appeal to them? What kind of picks would they accept? These are the questions that will determine where he lands before the Feb. 23 trade deadline.

According to ESPN's Marc Stein, Atlanta wants "at least one quality first to headline a Millsap deal." In the Kyle Korver trade, the Hawks got a first-round pick, but it's from the Cleveland Cavaliers, so it will likely be at the end of the 2019 draft. Presumably, they would prefer something better than that here.

For the Denver Nuggets, a known Millsap suitor, this could be good news. The 14-22 Nuggets have an extra first-round pick coming their way from the Memphis Grizzlies this June, and they don't owe any of their future first-rounders to anybody. The complication here is that, with Millsap, they might be a playoff team, which would drive down the value of their picks.

This reported asking price might not fly for teams hoping to have a shot at Millsap. Take the Toronto Raptors, for example -- they also have an extra pick, but it's from the Los Angeles Clippers, so they can't offer the Hawks a pick that will likely fall in the lottery or even the teens. It's unknown whether or not Atlanta would consider Raptors rookie Jakob Poeltl, the No. 9 pick in last year's draft, of equivalent value to a future pick.

All of this might sound a little crazy. Millsap is a three-time All-Star who is excellent on both ends and has few weaknesses. Generally, if you're trading a player of his caliber, you want more than just a pick and a prospect or two. The Hawks' problem is that Millsap is now just months away from free agency, and he'll be in line for a maximum contract that starts at 35 percent of the salary cap. He's a great player, but he's also either a rental or an extremely expensive long-term investment. In this kind of situation, it's difficult to define what would constitute a fair return for him.

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6 hours ago, blkbigdog35 said:

I'm hoping this trade will be very beneficial but with Sap and Thabo playing well they are interesting trade pieces for other teams but I would rather keep them.

He's not picking up the option, so he'll be an unrestricted free agent. I appreciate what he's done with us, but he's an aging player and we need to get younger guys to pair and grow with Schroder.

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If we do trade Sap, I hope we get a nice first round pick and not a low end first. I love having Sap around, but we did get burned on Horford and Josh Smith. Let's not get burned again. 

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12 hours ago, JerseyNo12 said:

He's not picking up the option, so he'll be an unrestricted free agent. I appreciate what he's done with us, but he's an aging player and we need to get younger guys to pair and grow with Schroder.

I agree that he's aging but the guy has been very solid for us.  I'm trying to think of some younger pieces they can bring in but damm the business part of it sucks, smh.

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10 hours ago, tl;dr said:

If we do trade Sap, I hope we get a nice first round pick and not a low end first. I love having Sap around, but we did get burned on Horford and Josh Smith. Let's not get burned again. 

That's my concern too but I think the hawks may be asking for more that what some teams are willing to give up.

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52 minutes ago, blkbigdog35 said:

I agree that he's aging but the guy has been very solid for us.  I'm trying to think of some younger pieces they can bring in but damm the business part of it sucks, smh.

Yeah it does. I don't like it either, but the FO really dropped the ball as far as grooming a young PF to eventually take over the starting role. Danny Ferry really screwed this up and it's come back to bite us. He could have signed Millsap long term for cheap so that we could have had his bird rights, which means we wouldn't have to worry about the cap if we wanted to resign him.

It is what it is, but in order to get better, younger players, we have to start shopping some of our good ones and stockpile draft picks. It sucks because we're stuck between a rock and a hard place. We're too good a team to pick in the lottery, which makes it hard to get young, marquee players except in free agency or by trade, which isn't easy either. At the same time, I don't know if the fan base will stick around for a tanking season, and the Hawks have plans to build state-of-the-art facilities and need all the revenue they can get.

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3 hours ago, JerseyNo12 said:

Yeah it does. I don't like it either, but the FO really dropped the ball as far as grooming a young PF to eventually take over the starting role. Danny Ferry really screwed this up and it's come back to bite us. He could have signed Millsap long term for cheap so that we could have had his bird rights, which means we wouldn't have to worry about the cap if we wanted to resign him.

It is what it is, but in order to get better, younger players, we have to start shopping some of our good ones and stockpile draft picks. It sucks because we're stuck between a rock and a hard place. We're too good a team to pick in the lottery, which makes it hard to get young, marquee players except in free agency or by trade, which isn't easy either. At the same time, I don't know if the fan base will stick around for a tanking season, and the Hawks have plans to build state-of-the-art facilities and need all the revenue they can get.

I agree bro and you provide some excellent points. I have stuck with this team since the early 80s so I have been through it with this team. The fan in me want us to win now but common sense says that we have to retool this roster when opportunities present themselves.

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3 hours ago, JerseyNo12 said:

Yeah it does. I don't like it either, but the FO really dropped the ball as far as grooming a young PF to eventually take over the starting role. Danny Ferry really screwed this up and it's come back to bite us. He could have signed Millsap long term for cheap so that we could have had his bird rights, which means we wouldn't have to worry about the cap if we wanted to resign him.

It is what it is, but in order to get better, younger players, we have to start shopping some of our good ones and stockpile draft picks. It sucks because we're stuck between a rock and a hard place. We're too good a team to pick in the lottery, which makes it hard to get young, marquee players except in free agency or by trade, which isn't easy either. At the same time, I don't know if the fan base will stick around for a tanking season, and the Hawks have plans to build state-of-the-art facilities and need all the revenue they can get.

Ferry originally offered Millsap a 4 year deal when we first signed him. Millsap opted for the 2 years. Nothing Ferry could do.

The practice facility  is already under construction, walls are up.

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Newly acquired Mike Dunleavy has yet to report to the Atlanta Hawks after being dealt to the team in the Kyle Korver trade on Saturday, according to league sources.

 

Marc J. Spears and Marc Stein

ESPN.com | 8:58 PM ET


 

Sources told ESPN.com that Dunleavy is seeking a buyout from the Hawks that would enable him to immediately become a free agent.

The sides, according to one source, were "working through it" Sunday.

The Cleveland Cavaliers and Hawks verbally agreed to a Korver trade on Thursday and made it official on Saturday. Atlanta received Dunleavy, Mo Williams and a protected 2019 first-round pick in exchange for Korver, the 35-year-old perimeter specialist.

According to league rules, a player has 72 hours after a trade to report to his new team and complete a physical.

Hawks coach and team president Mike Budenholzer, speaking Saturday to reporters in Dallas, acknowledged the Hawks aren't expecting Williams to join them since he has essentially retired. But he does have high hopes for what Dunleavy, 36, could add to the team in the wake of Korver's departure.

"We'll bring him in," Budenholzer said Saturday of Dunleavy after the Hawks' shootaround in Dallas. "I think he's got the type of game and a skill set that I think he could be very good playing for us. We'll just have to see how he is, integrate him, continue to build. He's a player who we've liked, and personally I've liked, for a long time. We'll see how he fits into our mix."

Dunleavy is earning $4.9 million this season and his $5.2 million contract is only partially guaranteed next season.

Dunleavy appeared in 23 games for the Cavs this season and averaged 4.6 points and 2.0 rebounds. The 14-year veteran has career averages of 11.4 points and 4.3 rebounds in stints with Golden State, Indiana, Milwaukee, Chicago and Cleveland, which acquired him in July.

The Cavs packaged Dunleavy and Williams' contract to acquire Korver, one of the league's most feared 3-point shooters, to help fill the void created by J.R. Smith's recent thumb surgery and expected three-month absence.

Korver, 35, is earning $5.2 million this season in the final year of his contract and is averaging 9.5 points per game while shooting 40.9 percent from 3-point range. He was one of four Hawks to earn All-Star status in 2015 as part of Atlanta's 60-win season.

Korver is in Phoenix with the Cavs but is unable to play or even watch the team's game against the Suns from the bench because Dunleavy's physical hasn't been completed. The Cavs hope the medical exam will be done by tomorrow so Korver can go through his first practice with the team.

To provide Atlanta with the first-round pick it was seeking to part with Korver, the Cavs on Friday surrendered their first-round pick this coming June in a trade with Portland to reacquire their 2018 first-round pick, which the Cavaliers had dealt to the Trail Blazers in February 2016 to convince the Blazers to absorb the contract of veteran big man Anderson Varejao. Once the Cavs reacquired their 2018 first-rounder, they were able to send their 2019 first-rounder to the Hawks in the Korver deal.

NBA rules preclude teams from trading away first-round picks in consecutive seasons.

The Cleveland first-rounder sent to Atlanta in the Korver trade is top-10 protected in 2019 and 2020. If the pick is not conveyed to the Hawks in either of those years, Atlanta will instead receive second-round picks from the Cavaliers in both 2021 and 2022.

ESPN's Dave McMenamin contributed to this report.

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NBA Trade Rumors: Hawks GM reportedly informs teams Paul Millsap is off the market

 

By Ananth Pandian

CBSSports.com | 2017-01-09 23:08:00


 

Well, it looks like Paul Millsap won't be packing his bags anytime soon.

According to The Vertical's Adrian Wojnarowski, the Hawks have changed course and have now informed teams that he's off the trade market.

Well aware of all the trade rumors, Millsap appears to be quite happy to keep playing for the Hawks:

The Hawks are winners of six straight, so perhaps their win-streak factored into the decision to keep Millsap (for now). Plus, the Hawks were able to convince Mike Dunleavy to join the team, so maybe they believe that the veteran forward's versatility can help them compete in the Eastern Conference. Atlanta is also currently fourth in the conference, sitting right behind the Celtics for the third spot.

Perhaps another reason the Hawks have decided to keep Millsap is that it plays into coach Mike Budenholzer's goal of keeping continuity on the team:

Millsap will more than likely opt out of his contract and become a free agent this summer, so this could be a sign that the Hawks are still determined to re-sign him and to dethrone LeBron James and the Cavaliers in the East. It would be a rather foolish move for Atlanta to not trade Millsap and then let him walk in free agency, much like what happened with Al Horford this past offseason.

Of course, it is important to remember that there are still more than six weeks until the trade deadline and a lot can and will more than likely change before Feb. 23. But for now, the Hawks are determined to keep Millsap and don't have any plans on trading their talented All-Star forward. For now.

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On 1/5/2017 at 11:34 PM, TheTrue7 said:

We'll get a kings ransom for millsap IF it happens.. but until it does it's all hearsay 

I wouldn't be so sure. Teams with the trade pieces to trade for him aren't dumb. He's gone after this season and will test the free agency market regardless of where he ends up. Unfortunately, I have a hard time believing that anyone will pay a "king's ransom" for a rental.

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