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3 minutes ago, blkbigdog35 said:

Sap, Korver, Thabo are being discussed in trade rumors.

Wow, They are about to bust this team apart.  

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Hawks fielding trade offers for Paul Millsap, Kyle Korver

 

Royce Young

ESPN.com | 7:25 PM ET


 

The Atlanta Hawks have begun listening to trade pitches for All-Star forward Paul Millsap in recent days, according to league sources.

S‎ources told ESPN.com that the Hawks, fearful of losing Millsap in free agency without compensation in the summer, are not openly shopping him but are taking calls on the 31-year-old and other pending free agents, notably sharpshooter Kyle Korver and swingman Thabo Sefolosha.

Although the Hawks managed to sign Dwight Howard in free agency last summer to fill a frontcourt void, they were stung by the free-agent departure of Al Horford in that Horford, in the words of one source with knowledge of the team's thinking, got away "for nothing."

The feeling within the organization now, sources said, is that it's best to gauge the trade market for Millsap, Korver and Sefolosha between now and the Feb. 23 trade deadline to guard against a repeat scenario.

The Hawks slumped to 48-34 last season and took a 17-16 record into 2017 after an offseason in which Teague was traded to Indiana before Horford's free-agent defection to Boston.

ESPN's Chris Haynes reported Sunday that Millsap has already‎‎ decided to opt out of the final year of his Atlanta contract, valued at $21.5 million in 2017-18.

Some rival teams have expressed concern to ESPN.com that the Hawks want so much in return for Millsap that it makes a trade unlikely before the deadline. But it should be noted that Atlanta got far down the road in trade talks with the Denver Nuggets last summer, before the Hawks ultimately decided it was best to keep the versatile forward, who has ranked as one of the league's biggest matchup problems throughout his time in both Utah and Atlanta.

The Toronto Raptors, sources say, are another team that has expressed interest in Millsap in the past.

Millsap, who turns 32 two weeks before the trade deadline in February, entered Sunday night's home date with San Antonio averaging 17.4 points and 8.0 rebounds. He has earned Eastern Conference All-Star berths in each of his three seasons since joining the Hawks in free agency before the 2013-14 campaign, and he earned All-Defensive Second Team honors for the first time last season.

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4 minutes ago, blkbigdog35 said:

 

Hawks fielding trade offers for Paul Millsap, Kyle Korver

 

Royce Young

ESPN.com | 7:25 PM ET


 

The Atlanta Hawks have begun listening to trade pitches for All-Star forward Paul Millsap in recent days, according to league sources.

S‎ources told ESPN.com that the Hawks, fearful of losing Millsap in free agency without compensation in the summer, are not openly shopping him but are taking calls on the 31-year-old and other pending free agents, notably sharpshooter Kyle Korver and swingman Thabo Sefolosha.

Although the Hawks managed to sign Dwight Howard in free agency last summer to fill a frontcourt void, they were stung by the free-agent departure of Al Horford in that Horford, in the words of one source with knowledge of the team's thinking, got away "for nothing."

The feeling within the organization now, sources said, is that it's best to gauge the trade market for Millsap, Korver and Sefolosha between now and the Feb. 23 trade deadline to guard against a repeat scenario.

The Hawks slumped to 48-34 last season and took a 17-16 record into 2017 after an offseason in which Teague was traded to Indiana before Horford's free-agent defection to Boston.

ESPN's Chris Haynes reported Sunday that Millsap has already‎‎ decided to opt out of the final year of his Atlanta contract, valued at $21.5 million in 2017-18.

Some rival teams have expressed concern to ESPN.com that the Hawks want so much in return for Millsap that it makes a trade unlikely before the deadline. But it should be noted that Atlanta got far down the road in trade talks with the Denver Nuggets last summer, before the Hawks ultimately decided it was best to keep the versatile forward, who has ranked as one of the league's biggest matchup problems throughout his time in both Utah and Atlanta.

The Toronto Raptors, sources say, are another team that has expressed interest in Millsap in the past.

Millsap, who turns 32 two weeks before the trade deadline in February, entered Sunday night's home date with San Antonio averaging 17.4 points and 8.0 rebounds. He has earned Eastern Conference All-Star berths in each of his three seasons since joining the Hawks in free agency before the 2013-14 campaign, and he earned All-Defensive Second Team honors for the first time last season.

I am good with trading Korver.  I hope we try to keep Thabo.  I would do a max for Millsap with an opt out after 3 years.  

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Just now, usmcdirtybird said:

I am good with trading Korver.  I hope we try to keep Thabo.  I would do a max for Millsap with an opt out after 3 years.  

Agreed because sap and thabo are great players for buds system. Korver has hit his ceiling and maybe a contender would be a perfect trading partner.

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Yea.. sap deserves that kind of money.. deal korver if anyone..

ps nice win tonight.. great way to start the year

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Sunday NBA Roundup: Can We Trust Atlanta Hawks' Recent Success?

 

Dan FavaleJan 2, 2017

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Just when it seems like a good idea to pass judgment on the Atlanta Hawks, they make us question everything we think we know.

Sunday night offered a perfect portrait of this controlled chaos.

It began with ESPN.com's Marc Stein and Brian Windhorst reporting that Atlanta is open to trading soon-to-be free agents Kyle Korver, Paul Millsap and Thabo Sefolosha. It ended with the Hawks squeezing out a gutsy 114-112 overtime victory against the San Antonio Spurs, owners of the NBA's second-best record.

Now, like we did when they began the season 9-2, and as we did yet again when they dropped 10 of 11 contests, we're once more left to wonder: Who in the mother-loving heck are the 2016-17 Hawks?

It's tempting to buy back into their Eastern Conference threat level given recent success. They have won three straight and eight of their last 12.

During this stretch, the Hawks are pumping in 107.2 points per 100 possessions—noticeably more flattering than the 99.0 they were tallying beforehand.

Beating the Spurs is, in a vacuum, a particularly encouraging sign. Atlanta trailed by as many as 10 points and couldn't get going at the free-throw line (16-of-27), but it outscored San Antonio by 12 in the paint, 15 from beyond the arc and a whopping 21 in transition.

Millsap pieced together an otherworldly effort—the kind that makes would-be trade suitors salivate over his play and cringe at the thought of what it would cost to poach him, as the Atlanta Journal-Constitution's Chris Vivlamore noted:

At one point, Millsap, who played the entire second half, dropped 17 consecutive points, ensuring Atlanta didn't fold after San Antonio went on a 9-0 run late in the third quarter. He finished with 32 points, 13 rebounds and three assists while shooting 11-of-23 from the field.

Tim Hardaway Jr. also went boom. He put up a career-high 29 points and posted a team-best plus-14 on a seemingly unending string of triples (6-of-7)—including a game-tying missile inside four seconds to play that forced the extra period:

It's almost as if the New York Knicks were wrong about him or something, per Bleacher Report's Ric Bucher:

Dennis Schroder continued to raise his offensive stock by getting into the lane and limiting miscues. He shot just 7-of-17 from the floor but dished out 10 assists and provided a general boon with his jittery drives.

Atlanta's offense has been significantly better with him on the court during this 12-game mini-surge—a huge deal considering he was a net minus for an anemic attack through his first 22 appearances.

Korver, meanwhile, did both Korver and non-Korver things to the Spurs. He buried four of his nine three-point attempts, served as a secondary playmaker (four assists), grabbed eight rebounds and played pesky defense.

This was, in no uncertain terms, a big win. Atlanta is now within two games of the East's No. 3 seed as the season approaches its halfway point, and head coach Mike Budenholzer has bragging rights over Philadelphia 76ers lead honcho Brett Brown, per NBA.com's John Schuhmann:

And yet red flags abound.

The Hawks' trek back toward relevance has been anything but convincing. They have a negative net rating (minus-0.5) while winning eight of 12 and are hovering around the bottom 10 in defensive efficiency.

Crunch-time victories against the Detroit Pistons and Knicks to round out a three-game winning streak shouldn't be celebrated. Detroit is struggling to carve out any sort of identity following Reggie Jackson's return from thumb and knee injuries, and New York is a crummy basketball team masquerading as a playoff candidate.

Budenholzer has needed to tinker with the starting five as well. The preferred lineup of Kent Bazemore, Dwight Howard, Korver, Millsap and Schroder is being outscored by more than 10 points per 100 possessions when on the court.


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Sefolosha has been subbed in for Korver over the last four tilts, and the resulting crew is much better. But that improvement feels unsustainable with Bazemore, Atlanta's $70 million man, shooting under 40 percent and being forced to spend time at point guard.

The Hawks' new starting five was a wash in nine minutes against the Spurs. Bazemore specifically was unplayable. He failed to crack 20 minutes of court time and logged all of eight seconds through the fourth quarter and overtime.

Most of Atlanta's major issues aren't going away. The point guard rotation is laughable behind Schroder; he is sometimes spelled by Hardaway, in addition to Malcolm Delaney and Bazemore. And the offense doesn't generate enough quality three-point looks on a regular basis. (Related: Hot ****, going from Al Horford to Howard on the more glamorous end is a downgrade.)

The Millsap-Sefolosha-Korver rumors aren't going anywhere, either. All three will be due a raise in free agency over the summer, and Millsap, who turns 32 in February, is the youngest of the trio.

There are things the Hawks can try in hopes of turning this bizarrely suspect streak into a lasting wave.

Swapping out Bazemore for Hardaway in the starting five feels almost necessary. Atlanta is a statistical monster when he plays beside Howard, Millsap, Schroder and Sefolosha. That doesn't change when Korver replaces Sefolosha.

Acquiring a traditional backup point guard would be nice, but it might not be mandatory. Only four teams assist on more of their baskets, and the Hawks have done an even better job of sharing the ball since the start of December.

Hardaway's development into a serviceable passer helps. Many of the lineups that feature him without Schroder are scoring enough to be competitive.


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What does this all mean for a Hawks squad that's barely treading water above .500 and could just as easily be working off a loss had either of Kawhi Leonard's looks at the end of the fourth quarter and overtime found nylon?

What's the Hawks' ceiling? Will the current iteration of the offense stick? Can the defense figure out how to survive when Howard and/or Millsap sits? Is it best to deal some combination of Millsap, Korver and Sefolosha, perhaps shop Howard, and begin a reset?

Who are these Hawks?

Exactly who they are now and have been all season—inconsistent, often unpredictable, with just enough talent to remain relevant, absent any chance of winning the East.

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NBA Rumor Central: Paul Millsap prefers to stay with Hawks

 

ESPN.com

ESPN.com | 12:08 PM ET


 

Earlier this week, ESPN's Brian Windhorst and Marc Stein reported the Atlanta Hawks are willing to accept trade proposals from other NBA teams for forward Paul Millsap. To no surprise, there has been a lot written about Millsap during the last few days and he was asked about the possibility of being traded by the Feb. 23 deadline.

Rumor Central"Rumors are rumors," Millsap told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. "I think we know that. Been down this road before. I think we talked at the beginning of the year that it wasn’t going to be the first or the last time. It is what it is. Whatever happens, I think everybody knows where my heart is and where I want to be. But we’ll see what happens. The only thing I can worry about and I can do is to go out there and play my butt off every night and try to get wins for this team."

Millsap, who turns 32 on Feb. 10, was in the rumor mill for several months last season, but an offer did not come in that was good enough to tempt president of basketball operations and head coach Mike Budenholzer. With the Hawks struggling this season and Millsap likely choosing to join the 2017 free-agent market, Budenholzer might finally be willing to budge because Milsap, his All-Star forward, can leave with the Hawks getting nothing in return in July. Millsap holds a player option worth $21.47 million for 2017-18 that he will decline as long as he does not suffer a major injury that could change his thinking.

When asked about Millsap's future with the Hawks, Budenholzer didn't offer up that much.

“We are always doing our jobs and working and listening and taking calls and considering how we can do what’s best for our organization," Budenholzer said.

Through 31 games this season, Millsap is averaging 17.8 points, 8.2 rebounds and 3.7 assists.

“I’m human,” Millsap said. “You don’t want to hear things like that. With that being said, I’m also a professional. I’ve been around the league for a while. I know the business of the league.

Teams that might have interest in Millsap could include the Boston Celtics, Denver Nuggets, Miami Heat and Toronto Raptors.

 --- Nick Silva

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Winning.. such a wonderful feeling.. hate to see korver go but it was time.. THJ is ready 

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2 minutes ago, tl;dr said:

If we trade Millsap for crap, I'm going to lose my ****

IF he's traded, they have got to be selling high with the way he's producing..

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I'm telling y'all, this isn't about THJ being ready, it's about Bud wants to set fire to this roster as he doesn't like it!

Y'all aren't going to get it until the guy that y'all love in Howard is mentioned in trade rumors and Millsap is gone! But it's coming! Millsap is gone and this will be Howard's first and last year here!

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14 minutes ago, VoiceofReason95 said:

I'm telling y'all, this isn't about THJ being ready, it's about Bud wants to set fire to this roster as he doesn't like it!

Y'all aren't going to get it until the guy that y'all love in Howard is mentioned in trade rumors and Millsap is gone! But it's coming! Millsap is gone and this will be Howard's first and last year here!

One day you'll drop trying to blame Howard for anything and everything and realize that the millsap situation is 100% the ability or inability to sign him.. 

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3 minutes ago, TheTrue7 said:

One day you'll drop trying to blame Howard for anything and everything and realize that the millsap situation is 100% the ability or inability to sign him.. 

You would get it if Millsap was gone. If Millsap goes the play of this team is going to drop off BIG TIME. Like may not even win 10 more games this season big time. Every wing on the team feeds off of playing off of big men, and Howard is not a passing big man.

Howard is the MAIN reason why Kyle/Kent are not playing well. Kyle and Kent spent every night eating off of Horford's passing. On a team without a superstar or a passing center, EVERY WING ON THIS TEAM IS NOTHING!

Edited by VoiceofReason95

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Howard is doing well at what he's good at, but he does not move the needle anymore. It is not 2011, he does not bring superstar caliber impact anymore. Signing him was a major mistake. Signing Bazemore was an even bigger mistake and the Bazemore signing is going to cause the blow up of the team as they can't dump him.

It's coming. This is just the start.

Edited by VoiceofReason95

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