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#1 JulioisCoolio

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 09:34 PM

Jimmy Graham CAN be had, if we really want him. It would take two 1st rounders and a big contract to get him. We could theoretically trade for Graham AFTER the draft and give up 2015 and 2016 1st rounders and we'd get to keep pick #6.


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10.  One offer sheet may be signed, through July 15.
For a player carrying the non-exclusive tag, he can negotiate with any other team.  Ultimately, one offer sheet can be signed.
Once it’s signed, the situation simplifies considerably.  The player’s current team will match the offer and keep him, or the player’s team will not match the offer and collect a pair of first-round picks from the new team.
The two first-round picks given as compensation must be the team’s original picks — not any picks obtained via trade or otherwise.
And there’s a loophole which, eventually, a desperate coach or G.M. may use. The period for signing franchise players to offer sheets lingers beyond the current year’s draft.  Thus, for example, a team that wants to sign quarterback Joe Flacco (if the Ravens use the non-exclusive tag) could, in theory, wait until after the draft, sign Flacco to a front-loaded offer sheet that the Ravens can’t match, and then surrender not the 2013 and 2014 first-round picks, but the first-round picks for 2014 and 2015.
There’s nothing in the labor deal that prevents this from happening until July 15, after which date the player can sign only a one-year deal with his current team.


We have a major advantage over the Saints headed into the draft with this plan in mind. For one, it's doubtful they'd trade a TE to replace him this year.


The strategy heading into the draft would be to get all of the value we can out of the #6 pick as we won't have a 1st rounder again for a few years. Knowing this the best option in this scenario is to trade down and do it a LOT. The extra picks will help make up for the lack of picks in the coming years.

A few feasible trade scenarios:

ATL trades #6 to STL for #13 and 2nd rounder. STL selects Sammy Watkins

ATL then trades #13 to MIA for #19 and 3rd+4th rounder. MIA selects OT Zack Martin

ATL then trades #19 to CLE for #26 + 3rd rounder (Derek Carr)


Now our draft is set up like this:

#26 - OT Morgan Moses - (Instant fix for the biggest hole on offense. Now we can focus on defense for the majority of the draft)

2nd - DE/DT - Stephon Tuitt (Versatility is key in this draft. Hybrid defense needs hybrid players. Tuitt instantly becomes our other 3-4 DT and can slide inside or play LDE in place of Jackson in our 4-3 sets)

2nd (STL) - DE/OLB Trent Murphy (Another tough, gritty 'tweener' that will play out of both a 2 and 3 point stance in Nolans defense. Bring back the amoeba. )

3rd (CLE) - OLB Jeremy Attaochu (We badly need pass rushers. This guy is well documented here)

3rd - ILB Chris Borland (We need a true ILB in our 3-4 sets and this guy brings the wood. Him and Worrilow would feed off of each other)

3rd (MIA) - OT Jawuan James (Lets face it, we need Baker insurance. Doubling down on OT's in an OT heavy draft is smart)

4th - RB Lache Seastrunk

4th (MIA) - OLB Adrian Hubbard

4th (comp) - DT Justin Ellis (Solali will need a back up and rotational man)

5th - OG Chris Watt (Future Blalock replacement)

6th - WR Jeff Janis (trumped Watkins combine in every single category)

7th - FB JC Copeland (Running game needs to be a focus)






A few things this draft accomplishes:

- Depth for days at many positions
- Makes a few players expendable (Osi, Biermann, Spoon)
- Those players cap savings will be important (9.3 mil between them)
- Addresses the pass rush and both lines heavily



Cap situation:

According to overthecap.com we are sitting @ 14.4 mil under the cap AFTER the Decoud cut. Roughly 1 mil of this is unavailable until after June 1st though due to Decoud being a June 1st cut.


Post draft cuts:

After the draft we release Osi, Spoon and Biermann. They're all on the last year of their deals. Osi and Spoon don't really fit what we're after and Biermann is coming off a major injury and we loaded up on hybrid players. He's outclassed now. We save roughly 9.3 mil.


After cuts we're sitting @ roughly 22 mil.

4-5 mil will be allocated to rookies

3-5 mil will be spent on remaining FAs (Chris Clemons)

This leaves us with 12-15 mil cap space. This cap space is going to be used to front load a contract to Jimmy Graham as much as possible.

This serves two purposes.

1 - Makes it so the Saints can't match the contract

2 - Makes Jimmy's cap hit reasonable throughout the rest of the contract. Paying him 10-12 mil in his first season will ensure his cap hit will never spike.


ATL trades 2015 and 2016 1st rounders to NO for TE Jimmy Graham, ATL signs Graham to a 6 yr/60 mil contract with 20 mil guaranteed. Graham cap hit year one 10 mil



Crushing blow dealt to the Saints this year.


Rosters for 2014

Offense

QB - Ryan
RB - Sjax/Seastrunk
WR - Julio/Janis
WR - Roddy/HD
TE - Graham/Toilolo
FB - Copeland

LT - Baker/Moses/Holmes
OG - Blalock/Watt
C - Hawley/Konz
OG - Asamoah/Konz
RT - Moses/James


Defense

3-4 alignment

DE - Tuitt/Babs/Peters
DT - Solali/Ellis
DE - Jackson/Maponga

OLB - Mass/Attachou
ILB - Worrilow/Dent
ILB - Borland/Dent
OLB - Murphy/Attachou

CB - Tru/Mcclain
CB - Alford/Mcclain
FS - Clemons/Ishmael
SS - Moore/Motta




4-3 Alignments

DE - Murphy/Attachou
DT - Tuitt/Babs/Peters
DT - Solali/Ellis
DE - Mass/Attachou

OLB - Worrilow/Bartu
MLB - Borland/Dent
OLB - Attachou

CB - Tru/McClain
CB - Alford/Mcclain
FS - Clemons
SS - Moore

#2 DawnOfThemBirds☑

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 09:44 PM

Why would the Falcons give 2 1st round picks to the Saints(division rivals) for a player who they also have to break the bank for as well?

Giving the Saints an additional 1st round pick for the next 2 years really gives them an advantage because they would have 2 1st round picks in 2015 and 2016. Also, what if they package some of those 1st round picks to get a high level player from another team?

I see your Graham trade as more of a win for the Saints than the Falcons.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 09:46 PM

View PostD.O.T.B.☑, on 13 March 2014 - 09:44 PM, said:

Why would the Falcons give the Saints 2 1st round picks to the Saints(division rivals) for a player who they also have to break the bank for as well?

Giving the Saints an additional 1st round pick for the next 2 years really gives them an advantage because they would have 2 1st round picks in 2015 and 2016. Also, what if they package some of those 1st round picks to get a high level player from another team.

I see your Graham trade as more of a win for the Saints than the Falcons.

Exactly.  That would be dumb dumb dumb.  They are in salary cap **** and keeping Graham makes it worse on them.  Take Graham off their hands AND give them two cheap rookies?  No thanks

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 09:47 PM

love it...I just really do not like Seastrunk. This year's Gillislee

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 09:51 PM

I just took a dump that looked better than this plan.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 09:54 PM

You lost me after mentioning Graham.....and that was in the title

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 10:03 PM

View PostKnight of God, on 13 March 2014 - 09:47 PM, said:

love it...I just really do not like Seastrunk. This year's Gillislee
I don't see that at all

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 10:03 PM

Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I want Jimmy Graham in a Falcons uniform. I've never been the type of fan to say "Oh he played for this and this team so I would never want to see them in a Falcons uniform." No, if they have the ability to help this team win, then I don't care if they came straight from high school as long as it gets the job done.

Jimmy Graham is THE premier TE in the game. No injury concerns, and putting him in the same offense as Julio Jones, Roddy White, and Steven Jackson? Wow... Now, I realize that we'd have to give up the 2 1st round picks to get him, but if we wait until after this draft, we could honestly be set to pick in the bottom 6 for the next couple of years. The Saints would still be in cap ****, and by the time they would be able to get out of it they would no longer have Brees at the helm. Brees is to the Saints as Ryan is to the Falcons. If they go down, so does the team.

I think we'd be dumb to at least not explore it.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 10:07 PM

Go for Graham's knees in the first gme and call it a year.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 10:12 PM

I can't even bring my brain to entertain the thought of us aggressively trying to draft, trade or acquire a TE in the first three rounds let alone jimmy graham. Football teams CAN'T be successful with WEAK lines. Offensive or defensive. Not trying to be rude but Tony G in his prime couldn't bring this team a Championship with WEAK SUBPAR line play. I wish people would get that through their thick heads. Smdh

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 10:27 PM

View PostGANDI, on 13 March 2014 - 10:12 PM, said:

I can't even bring my brain to entertain the thought of us aggressively trying to draft, trade or acquire a TE in the first three rounds let alone jimmy graham. Football teams CAN'T be successful with WEAK lines. Offensive or defensive. Not trying to be rude but Tony G in his prime couldn't bring this team a Championship with WEAK SUBPAR line play. I wish people would get that through their thick heads. Smdh

Did you miss where I added like 7 linemen on both sides of the ball???

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 10:27 PM

View PostGANDI, on 13 March 2014 - 10:12 PM, said:

I can't even bring my brain to entertain the thought of us aggressively trying to draft, trade or acquire a TE in the first three rounds let alone jimmy graham. Football teams CAN'T be successful with WEAK lines. Offensive or defensive. Not trying to be rude but Tony G in his prime couldn't bring this team a Championship with WEAK SUBPAR line play. I wish people would get that through their thick heads. Smdh

You do realize that any scenario proposed in this thread regarding trading for Graham involves draft picks for 2015 and 2016 right? This still leaves us with our 1st round pick this year to either hold on to and take Matthews/Robinson at 6, or trade down consecutively and stockpile draft picks in an EXTREMELY deep draft

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 10:48 PM

Yes while I like the picks in the draft doing anything like this for a TE seems ridiculous. I only want the lines corrected. If this could happen (which it won't ) I would be happy but prefer spending Jimmy Graham money on Julio or Better yet a Defensive playmaker or franchise OT. I just think his price tag is far too high to justify that kinda move at this time. I respect your opinion tho

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 10:51 PM

View PostJulioisCoolio, on 13 March 2014 - 10:27 PM, said:



Did you miss where I added like 7 linemen on both sides of the ball???
i did. I can't get past the title with Grahams name in it

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 10:51 PM

It's not necessarily my opinion. Just showing that a trade for Graham is possible while still addressing the rest of our needs.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 10:55 PM

View PostGANDI, on 13 March 2014 - 10:48 PM, said:

Yes while I like the picks in the draft doing anything like this for a TE seems ridiculous. I only want the lines corrected. If this could happen (which it won't ) I would be happy but prefer spending Jimmy Graham money on Julio or Better yet a Defensive playmaker or franchise OT. I just think his price tag is far too high to justify that kinda move at this time. I respect your opinion tho

Why is your **** signature like half a **** page?

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 10:56 PM

I just don't get why you would not want to trade your  next years first and 4th  for a first round pick. Then a first in 2016 and fifth for a first round pick.

And get a tight end that can block unlike Graham. And not have to worry with paying him like Graham.

Just being unrealistic but a little smarter.

Because you start paying Graham and you are not having a blocker nor cap space to do anything with this year.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 10:59 PM

View PostKnight of God, on 13 March 2014 - 09:47 PM, said:

love it...I just really do not like Seastrunk. This year's Gillislee

Not even close to the same players. Seastrunk compares more to Giovanni Bernard imo.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 11:00 PM

The Graham rumor was just a Saints forum troll.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 11:01 PM

I thought last years mocks were retarded but come on man..............come on




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