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niels petersen, on 11 June 2012 - 01:50 AM, said:

I think you are doing a darn good job with your posts, and I'd much rather read a longer post that has been well thought out, than a quick reply with only a little info to enlight the argument.. Keep it up!

gotta agree here. I reckon I'm the opposite of FFS1970, I skip over the short posts because they usually lack information, detail and perspective. A well thought out post is a rarity on these boards,there is no word limit, do what you do.

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FalconFanSince1970, on 11 June 2012 - 12:56 AM, said:

Good post.

Question: Do you and Vel know that there is not a 300 word minimum for posts on this board? Yall boys post some good sht but I skip over most of it cause I ain't really trying to read a book here. Jeez guys.

I have to post and extend my arguments sometimes because people like to take the short posts with less information and twist them to fit what they want. You can't twist a longer post that lays everything out clearly.

[muskokas finest ©]

Many confuse depth of opinion with repetition of opinion.  It's one thing to expand on your thoughts and answer objections in a proactive fashion.  It's another thing entirely to say something, then spend two more paragraphs rephrasing the same point.  That's even more the case on a message board, as what you've just written can often be found verbatim, two pages earlier.

Brevity is a good thing, especially in this short attention spanned, sound byte infected society we live in.  To be succinct is to be heard.

[CraigSmackDaddy]

Peyton, on 07 June 2012 - 08:33 AM, said:

Why would anyone even argue that Quizz is better at anything that Micheal Turner?  Has Jacquizz Rodgers, in the NFL, even managed to ever find himself into the open field?

You may be right but from what I've seen I would think Rodgers would be more elusive in the open field.  Still love Turner but his nickname should be churner instead of burner at this point in his career

Edited by CraigSmackDaddy, 12 June 2012 - 10:36 AM.

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Aftermath, on 11 June 2012 - 05:53 AM, said:

gotta agree here. I reckon I'm the opposite of FFS1970, I skip over the short posts because they usually lack information, detail and perspective. A well thought out post is a rarity on these boards,there is no word limit, do what you do.

Yeah we are probably opposites. I will usually just skim a wordy post, if I read it at all. That's probably why Vel always accuses me of ignoring some of his points. Dude is a good poster but sometimes I feel like I'm going on a freakin Easter Egg Hunt when I try to read them. Like Muskokas said dude could probably be less repetitive and get the same point across more effectively.

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FalconFanSince1970, on 12 June 2012 - 10:58 AM, said:

Yeah we are probably opposites. I will usually just skim a wordy post, if I read it at all. That's probably why Vel always accuses me of ignoring some of his points. Dude is a good poster but sometimes I feel like I'm going on a freakin Easter Egg Hunt when I try to read them. Like Muskokas said dude could probably be less repetitive and get the same point across more effectively.

I get what you are saying, I guess it also depends on who the poster is for me. I like to stop and read long posts from a few of you fellas but at the same time if Swift or someone similar posts anything more than a sentence I usually don't take the time. On the other hand I usually stop to read anything you, Gritz, KOG and a few others have to say no matter how short it is.

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muskokas finest, on 12 June 2012 - 10:22 AM, said:

Many confuse depth of opinion with repetition of opinion.  It's one thing to expand on your thoughts and answer objections in a proactive fashion.  It's another thing entirely to say something, then spend two more paragraphs rephrasing the same point.  That's even more the case on a message board, as what you've just written can often be found verbatim, two pages earlier.

Brevity is a good thing, especially in this short attention spanned, sound byte infected society we live in.  To be succinct is to be heard.

This is actually an issue that troubles me.  On the 2nd paragraph, you are no doubt correct.

To be succinct is to be heard.  But often to be succinct is not to be understood, if it is a complex situation.  It is this sound bite bullet point attention span which has led to the Capitalism is great/no capitalism is bad argument when the question is more complex.  It's what makes it be that political candidates can just claim not to have said what they said before.  No one has the patience for nuance or explanation.

Whether you like oil or solar is not as relevant as why you like them, and getting to the root of matters such as that (involving viability, danger, mixed use, sustainability, etc.) involves nuance.  It is why we no longer have important discussions.  People are even fearful of the longer answers because one sentence may be taken and reframed, and they know rebuttal explanations are "out" because people won't tune in.

Part of the reason I like football boards is football is actually a complex game compared to other sports, and I enjoy discussing that aspect.

I know that to be succinct is to be heard.  I encourage it in others, especially politicians, but I have some stubbornness regarding letting complexity go.

Plus, I ramble.

[muskokas finest ©]

takeitdown, on 12 June 2012 - 01:00 PM, said:

This is actually an issue that troubles me.  On the 2nd paragraph, you are no doubt correct.

To be succinct is to be heard.  But often to be succinct is not to be understood, if it is a complex situation.  It is this sound bite bullet point attention span which has led to the Capitalism is great/no capitalism is bad argument when the question is more complex.  It's what makes it be that political candidates can just claim not to have said what they said before.  No one has the patience for nuance or explanation.

Whether you like oil or solar is not as relevant as why you like them, and getting to the root of matters such as that (involving viability, danger, mixed use, sustainability, etc.) involves nuance.  It is why we no longer have important discussions.  People are even fearful of the longer answers because one sentence may be taken and reframed, and they know rebuttal explanations are "out" because people won't tune in.

Part of the reason I like football boards is football is actually a complex game compared to other sports, and I enjoy discussing that aspect.

I know that to be succinct is to be heard.  I encourage it in others, especially politicians, but I have some stubbornness regarding letting complexity go.

Plus, I ramble.

You haven't had 3 or 4 people coming at you at once.

My interest in the complexities of football is far greater in the area of personnel, as opposed to strategy.

[takeitdown]

muskokas finest, on 12 June 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

You haven't had 3 or 4 people coming at you at once.

My interest in the complexities of football is far greater in the area of personnel, as opposed to strategy.

I like the marriage of the two, personnel and strategy, and that's where I think you can have true competitive advantage in the modern league.

And I obviously wasn't blaming you for using brevity, it's very effective.  In fact, I scream at politicians I happen to like when they begin a long droning answer, as I envision eyes glazing, and know they need to hit their three points hard and quickly.

[FalconFanSince1970]

muskokas finest, on 12 June 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

You haven't had 3 or 4 people coming at you at once.

My interest in the complexities of football is far greater in the area of personnel, as opposed to strategy.

Try nine or ten coming at you at once. On three different threads. And they all want to be read and responded to. That's a full time job I just can't sign up to.

[muskokas finest ©]

takeitdown, on 12 June 2012 - 01:39 PM, said:

I like the marriage of the two, personnel and strategy, and that's where I think you can have true competitive advantage in the modern league.

And I obviously wasn't blaming you for using brevity, it's very effective.  In fact, I scream at politicians I happen to like when they begin a long droning answer, as I envision eyes glazing, and know they need to hit their three points hard and quickly.

The KISS principle.  Keep it simple, Stupid! or the watered down more p.c. version, Keep it short n sweet.

[Deep2Roddy]

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