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[South FL Dawg]

Academic fraud to that exent you wouldn't think would happen unless it was understood by everyone that it was a necessary evil....the whole thing about athletics being the tail that wags the dog. But eventually something that big has to fall and it iooks like that's what we have here. Now it's just a matter of some folks owning up to the ugliness.

[Porter Osborne Jr]

Ethanga62890, on 30 July 2012 - 07:46 AM, said:

Scandal? Black players taking AAS classes? Shocker. Every athlete either takes communications or AAS it seems.

As in players getting credit for classes that never met which makes them ineligible.

[NCFalconfan]

Information leaking out now that Julius Peppers was allowed to compete in 2 sports while maintaining a 1.65 GPA. This pre-dates Butch Davis.

By the way,

here are your 2005 National Champions that coincidently majored in AFAM.

2005- 7: Sean May, Jackie Manuel, David Noel, Jawad Williams, Melvin Scott, Reyshawn Terry, Marvin Williams

[NCFalconfan]

That's gonna leave a mark....

http://aol.sportingn...ncaa-penn-state

[Carter]

Ouch... that article didn't pull any punches.  The line about being one of the most respected academic institutions in the world while cheating to keep players eligible caught my attention.

The NCAA has so much red tape and bureaucratic bs involved, inconsistencies and perceived bias.  If there's an independent investigation by a highly credible source, this seems like it could be very very ugly.

[Xnex]

NCFalconfan, on 13 August 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

That's gonna leave a mark....

http://aol.sportingn...ncaa-penn-state

Carter, on 13 August 2012 - 06:45 PM, said:

Ouch... that article didn't pull any punches.  The line about being one of the most respected academic institutions in the world while cheating to keep players eligible caught my attention.

The NCAA has so much red tape and bureaucratic bs involved, inconsistencies and perceived bias.  If there's an independent investigation by a highly credible source, this seems like it could be very very ugly.

But someone needs to clear something up for me here. Isn't the NCAA finished with its' investigation at UNC? I know that they COULD decide to go back to Chapel Hill and open a new investigation but does anyone think that is actually going to happen? Or do most people think the NCAA will treat these recent reports as some sort of attempt to bring down UNC unfairly and thus turn a blind eye to this most recent findings and allegations?

[Ethanga62890]

Xnex, on 14 August 2012 - 07:53 AM, said:

But someone needs to clear something up for me here. Isn't the NCAA finished with its' investigation at UNC? I know that they COULD decide to go back to Chapel Hill and open a new investigation but does anyone think that is actually going to happen? Or do most people think the NCAA will treat these recent reports as some sort of attempt to bring down UNC unfairly and thus turn a blind eye to this most recent findings and allegations?

the NCAA has said that this is an internal matter and has assessed and dealt their punishment. Not to mention a 4 year statute of limitations.




1) Here is what they are reduced to, many UNC players over the last few years majored in African American studies, fact.


2) The African American studies curriculum was not as hard as most other degree programs at UNC, fact.


3) Many athletes were in the African American studies program because it was not as challenging as some other programs were allowing them more time to dedicate on developing themselves as an athlete, fact.


4) The African American studies program was not exclusive to athletes and was not only available to non-athletes but had more non-athletes enrolled in it than scholarship athletes, fact with the exception of a class here or there.


5) African Americans as a whole would have a natural affinity for a program dedicated toward their own unique experience and history, fact.


6) A majority of athletes in the revenue generating sports of football and basketball happen to be African Americans.


7) The dept head of that program allowed that program to run far below what is and should be allowable for the school. He himself taught classes that were more self directed studies than professor in a classroom. However most every school allows self directed classes as well as non-traditional classes and many athletes are drawn to those types of classes because it allows them more time management freedom. This is true at NC State and Ky as well.


8) Those that took classes and those that took the classes that have been bantered about by the rival fans, they want you to believe that ALL UNC basketball players took nothing but no show classes that allowed them to remain eligible. What they don't want to mention is the classes in question were offered in the summer, last I recalled ACC basketball is not played in the summer.


9) Many, actually most former UNC players that leave before their eligibility has been exhausted, actually come back to finish out their degrees, true of guys like Marvin and Sean. They come back during the NBA off season and work to finish off their degrees. So could a class in question, especially those classes (there were what 2 or 3) that had only 1 basketball player, could that basketball player be Sean may or Marvin Williams, who were NBA players and no longer having any eligibility to worry about? Not only is that answer yes but it is the most likely scenario because those guys had small windows of time to fit classes in before having to work on their NBA game.


10) The NCAA looked in to this and determined it to not be an issue for them, they lived on our campus for nearly 2 years, they turned over every single rock, looked in every corner, they had the long knives out for us. Not one single even minor violation for the basketball program.

They basically said well if we hit UNC hard with this we'll have to hit Alabama in football, Duke, UK, Texas, Southern Cal because every major program does what what we ACTUALLY did.

[pintaildrake1]

Ethanga62890, on 14 August 2012 - 08:19 AM, said:

They basically said well if we hit UNC hard with this we'll have to hit Alabama in football, Duke, UK, Texas, Southern Cal because every major program does what what we ACTUALLY did.

Well that is exactly what should be done.  Why have rules if they are not enforced.

[Ethanga62890]

pintaildrake1, on 14 August 2012 - 10:01 AM, said:

Well that is exactly what should be done.  Why have rules if they are not enforced.

Well the fact is to begin with it's overblown by State fans.

[NCFalconfan]

Ethanga62890, on 14 August 2012 - 12:20 PM, said:

Well the fact is to begin with it's overblown by State fans.

Overblown? My God man, even UNC grads that I know are calling this the worst academic scandal in NCAA history and are disgusted by it. Please enlighten me how in terms of academic frauds that it can be any worse than what been proven at UNC?

[NCFalconfan]

By the way the AFAM academic fraud prong to this scandal was NOT in the NCAA's Notice of Infractions. So far they have been deafeningly silent on this issue. And this isn't about "easy" classes either. This is about classes that didn't exist other than on paper and in some cases had an enrollment totaling 1 (insert athlete's name). Looking like systematic fraud put in place for years to keep athletes illegible and then lying and cover up once people started probing for answers. By the way, anyone want to take a guess who was the AD at UNC when the AFAM major was created? None other than John Swofford himself. No wonder he's had zilch to say about this since the story broke.

[NCFalconfan]

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[NCFalconfan]

Head shot by Gregg Doyel

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[SacFalcFan]

amazing that julius pepper's agent is creating sites to attack the reporter..  lol..  that's pathetic.

http://www.thebiglea...ademic-scandal/

[clemumo82]

Big deal the NCAA investigators didn't find this.... Those guys often couldn't find a turd if someone crapped on their desk. Almost every recent cheating scandal was blown open by media or fan message boards, not the NCAA.

Much like Penn State, UNC alums and fans have made a tradition of smugly telling everyone how their student-athletes are still students unlike other major conference schools and how they win the right way. However, now they want to just jump in and say every school is doing this as some sort of defense for it. The NCAA is going to do nothing over this, much like they did when Duke used an ineligible player for an entire season.

It's fitting that NCSU is the one finding this after all of the crap pompous UNC fans gave them during the Valvano era. What goes around, comes around.

[Ethanga62890]

NCFalconfan, on 14 August 2012 - 12:48 PM, said:

Overblown? My God man, even UNC grads that I know are calling this the worst academic scandal in NCAA history and are disgusted by it. Please enlighten me how in terms of academic frauds that it can be any worse than what been proven at UNC?

Seeing you ignore my post where i addressed all the issues i'll take this as more puppy dog propaganda.

[clemumo82]

Now it's just all propaganda from your rival, and other schools do it too. Well, those schools also have not lectured their peers on how they win the right way "The Carolina Way" and ripped other schools for smaller transgressions than this.

Some of your points are absolutley ridiculous. We all know athletes load up on classes in the summer due to time restrictions during the normal school year. I can't believe you're trying to use ACC basketball not being played in the summer as a possible excuse. What does sand taste like because you're burying your head awfully deep in it?

[Ethanga62890]

http://northcarolina.../2/1216701.html