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[NOVAFalconFan]

80burgers, on 07 May 2012 - 03:54 PM, said:

That's Mike Florios article..

**** Mike Florio and **** the Saints.

[Atlfanstckndenver]

*copy from other post*

I swear its like we give these moronic saints fans enough tolerance just to try to talk sense into them, yet they cant even pretend to be smart. Im already pondering the next cop out excuse.....They are probably gonna wait to hear what their messiah brees is gonna say before crawling out from the rocks they're currently hiding under... lol man this really is great.

[chitowndirtybird]

Man, I don't recall too many Falcon fans trying to justify Vick's actions back in 07.  Sure different setting now with the bounty program, but my god, I've never observed such delusions on as large a scale as the Saint's fanbase is displaying.  It's really sad.  The level of deniablitiy, in the face of some clear cut accusations, is unnerving to me.  It begets some pretty serious and deep seeded issuse within the psyche of these people.  There is no denying the connection the Saints fans have with the team, I fear that too many have become codependant on this team to provide their missing happiness and joys in their lives.  The bitter bile that is being spewed by these folks is a testament... of why one should not live or try to persist in New Orleans.  There really is nothing else for these folks besides their simple pleasures.

Me on the other hand... I could live there just fine as I love cajun food above everything else.... DON'T JUDGE ME!!

(for those that can't tell the difference, the above is not a judgement, just an observation)

Edited by chitowndirtybird, 07 May 2012 - 05:32 PM.

[Gritz]

chitowndirtybird, on 07 May 2012 - 05:31 PM, said:

Me on the other hand... I could live there just fine as I love cajun food above everything else.... DON'T JUDGE ME!!

Great music and great food in New Orleans. I dig a lot of the old architecture too.

The football team and it's fans (at least 98% of them) suck like a turbo-charged Hoover.

[Herr Doktor]

Is anyone actually surprised?  Williams is a *********.  He ****** the Saints and then hauled ***, only to then screw the Rams.   The man is scum.

[ATL575]

80burgers, on 07 May 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

Now for what Hargrove's declaration doesn't say. At no point in the declaration does Hargrove admit to any knowledge of the existence of a bounty program. Indeed, at no point does Hargrove claim that he was told to say anything different from what he would have otherwise said, without coaching.

In other words, Hargrove never says he was told to lie. Instead, he says he was told what to say, without commenting on whether he believed what he was told to say to be the truth.

And so, when the NFL said last week in the announcement of the suspensions of Hargrove and three other players that the declaration "established not only the existence of the program with the Saints, but also that he knew about and participated in it," that statement was blatantly incorrect. And when "independent" counsel Mary Jo White explained in a conference call last week that the "thrust" of the declaration was Hargrove's acknowledgment of "the nature of the program and his participation in it," that was blatantly incorrect, too.

It may simply be semantics, given that Williams and Vitt apparently confessed to the existence of a bounty program — which necessarily means that Hargrove had lied. But in his declaration he never says that he lied, and he never admits that the bounty program existed. The flaw in the NFL's comments about the Hargrove declaration is subtle, but significant. The plain language of the Hargrove declaration as compared to the NFL's characterization of it shows that the league is playing a little fast and loose with the facts. Which makes it even more critical that the league stop spoon-feeding the NFLPA and the media characterizations and summaries and conclusions, and that it start coughing up the raw data on which the characterizations and summaries and conclusions were based.

Back when I was practicing law, I'd periodically explain to a jury that, upon encountering a piece of rancid meat in a pot of beef stew, the reaction isn't to keep eating but to dump it all out. Though the league's mischaracterization of Hargrove's declaration may not justify ignoring the full weight of the bounty probe, it means that, at a minimum, someone must have an opportunity to scrutinize all facts, apart from the skewed, self-serving filter the league has applied when talking about the case.

There you go!  

Im guess that "Back when I was practicing law" meant that you didn't win any cases, because that is a terrible example.

Does anyone else find it funny remarkable that coaches, and players have all admitted to this program, yet there are still several players and fans that demand that the NFL shows proof of this "Bounty" existing.  You should hear Darren Sharpers interview with ESPN, where he stated that the program was in place, but the coaches never once warned them that they were being investigated, or that they should stop.

All in all, it just shows how pathetic the Saints organization really is.  While writing this I have been playing the world smallest violin in sympathy for the Saints.

[Statick]

I just heard this news.

And...wow.

Pretty much sums up every accusation methinks.

[wayofthetruth]

chitowndirtybird, on 07 May 2012 - 05:31 PM, said:

Man, I don't recall too many Falcon fans trying to justify Vick's actions back in 07.  Sure different setting now with the bounty program, but my god, I've never observed such delusions on as large a scale as the Saint's fanbase is displaying.  It's really sad.  The level of deniablitiy, in the face of some clear cut accusations, is unnerving to me.  It begets some pretty serious and deep seeded issuse within the psyche of these people.  There is no denying the connection the Saints fans have with the team, I fear that too many have become codependant on this team to provide their missing happiness and joys in their lives.  The bitter bile that is being spewed by these folks is a testament... of why one should not live or try to persist in New Orleans.  There really is nothing else for these folks besides their simple pleasures.

Me on the other hand... I could live there just fine as I love cajun food above everything else.... DON'T JUDGE ME!!

(for those that can't tell the difference, the above is not a judgement, just an observation)

how can u justify a raid on someones house coming up with an actual "MOUNTAIN" of evidence.....this has been nothing but a media battle.....and the NFL has shown they can be very savy.....

[wayofthetruth]

Statick, on 07 May 2012 - 07:56 PM, said:

I just heard this news.

And...wow.

Pretty much sums up every accusation methinks.

ahahahahaha so this proves all is true ahahahahaah u had ur mind made up b4 hand.....thats why the NL lied in saying the hargrove statement....was a full blwon confession.......cause fans who hate the saints would eat it up without question.....

[ATL575]

wayofthetruth, on 07 May 2012 - 07:59 PM, said:

how can u justify a raid on someones house coming up with an actual "MOUNTAIN" of evidence.....this has been nothing but a media battle.....and the NFL has shown they can be very savy.....

Signed confessions are usually used as concrete evidence.  Are the Saints going to try and say that they were coerced into writing these statements?  I am still playing the worlds smallest violin for all of you whining Aints fans, btw.

[dirtydealin5858]

Dusty, on 07 May 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

This off-season is better than "Falcon Crest", "Knotts Landing", "Dynasty" and "Barnaby Jones" all rolled into one!

Easy now, nothing is comparable to Barnaby Jones, nothing!!

[wayofthetruth]

ATL575, on 07 May 2012 - 07:50 PM, said:

Im guess that "Back when I was practicing law" meant that you didn't win any cases, because that is a terrible example.

Does anyone else find it funny remarkable that coaches, and players have all admitted to this program, yet there are still several players and fans that demand that the NFL shows proof of this "Bounty" existing.  You should hear Darren Sharpers interview with ESPN, where he stated that the program was in place, but the coaches never once warned them that they were being investigated, or that they should stop.

All in all, it just shows how pathetic the Saints organization really is.  While writing this I have been playing the world smallest violin in sympathy for the Saints.

ahahahaahahah sharper simply said.....he had no idea there was any investigation going........saying that players and coaches have admitted to a "PAY-FOR-INJURY" program....IS A FLAT OUT LIE

[wayofthetruth]

ATL575, on 07 May 2012 - 08:01 PM, said:

Signed confessions are usually used as concrete evidence.  Are the Saints going to try and say that they were coerced into writing these statements?  I am still playing the worlds smallest violin for all of you whining Aints fans, btw.

who confessed????????????? u have ignored all news against this.....u dont know whats going on.....only stupid people speak without wisdom

[wayofthetruth]

Gritz, on 07 May 2012 - 05:36 PM, said:

Great music and great food in New Orleans. I dig a lot of the old architecture too.

The football team and it's fans (at least 98% of them) suck like a turbo-charged Hoover.

lolololol thas why when the saints and falcons play half the stadium is saints fans.........Atlanta fans are known for being horrid.....just look at the basketbal team.....its in a decent market.....but the real star "josh smith"....cant wait to get the **** out......

[PSSSHHHRRR87]

pzummo, on 07 May 2012 - 02:52 PM, said:

I don't think any players were suspended for "following orders".  If that were the case, 22 to 27 players would have been suspended.  I believe the NFL only suspended players that contributed and/or funded the program to another level.

I recall one claim that Vilma offered $10k to any player that KO'd Favre.  That's not "following orders".  That's taking initiative.

It was said that Goodell only suspended the players/coaches/FO's that "led" the bounty scandal.  He said that he felt that the players that particapated in the bounties wouldn't of done so without Williams/Vitt/Vilma telling them too.  I believe Hargrove/Fujita/Smith is being suspended more for obstructing the investigation more than their involvement with bounties.

[wayofthetruth]

ATL87, on 07 May 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

It was said that Goodell only suspended the players/coaches/FO's that "led" the bounty scandal.  He said that he felt that the players that particapated in the bounties wouldn't of done so without Williams/Vitt/Vilma telling them too.  I believe Hargrove/Fujita/Smith is being suspended more for obstructing the investigation more than their involvement with bounties.

http://profootballta...about-bounties/   thought the saints were the liars

[wayofthetruth]

TheIdowu, on 07 May 2012 - 08:14 PM, said:

Im going to shoot and kill somebody because I was "just following orders"  

again......comparing the saints' 3 hits over 3 years to someone being killed........thats the biggest problem here

[Kizu_7]

Let's see ya spin this espn, saints, and trolls.

[yoyo0]

http://profootballta...ams-interviews/

Report: League “misrepresented” Gregg Williams’ interviews

Edited by yoyo0, 07 May 2012 - 08:28 PM.