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[Matt_The Iceman_Ryan]

NFC South

Atlanta Falcons

Top needs: DE, OL, OLB, CB, TE
Rd 2 (55) OT/G Kelechi Osemele
Rd 3 (84) DE Olivier Vernon
Analysis: Atlanta fans may not be familiar with the names, but both guys should be able to find their way into the rotation because they play need positions. Osemele played left tackle at Iowa State, but he's a guy I'm looking to move inside to become a mauler in the run game. He has the size (333 pounds) to engulf smaller defenders, and you'll see that because he can get to the edge and flatten linebackers. He's a nice addition up front. Vernon is a 4-3 defensive end prospect who shows a good first step and can develop as a pass-rusher, but also holds up pretty well against the run. Both guys are needs picks, but there isn't a value sacrifice.


http://insider.espn....eams-rounds-1-3

I would be okay with this...maybe would prefer Baquette (ARK) or Johnson (UVA) in the 3rd if went that position....

[muskokas finest ©]

I disagree with his final sentence.  I think there is a value sacrifice when you are spending 2nd/3rd rounders on rotational players.  Where's the value added in yet another RG prospect, on top of Manuwai, Johnson, Reynolds, Hawley and Jackson or a DE who'll be a 5th wheel behind Abe. Edwards, Biermann and Sidbury.  Let's try for some impact players/positions.

[Ghost of Truth]

This would be a pretty fail draft.

[Farmer2]

Matt_The Iceman_Ryan, on 18 April 2012 - 03:16 PM, said:

NFC South


Atlanta Falcons

Top needs: DE, OL, OLB, CB, TE
Rd 2 (55) OT/G Kelechi Osemele
Rd 3 (84) DE Olivier Vernon
Analysis: Atlanta fans may not be familiar with the names, but both guys should be able to find their way into the rotation because they play need positions. Osemele played left tackle at Iowa State, but he's a guy I'm looking to move inside to become a mauler in the run game. He has the size (333 pounds) to engulf smaller defenders, and you'll see that because he can get to the edge and flatten linebackers. He's a nice addition up front. Vernon is a 4-3 defensive end prospect who shows a good first step and can develop as a pass-rusher, but also holds up pretty well against the run. Both guys are needs picks, but there isn't a value sacrifice.


http://insider.espn....eams-rounds-1-3

I would be okay with this...maybe would prefer Baquette (ARK) or Johnson (UVA) in the 3rd if went that position....

I'm not familiar with either guy, but I've been reading about Osemele, and like the idea of taking a converted LT and moving him inside.  I've read he could project as a guard or RT, and we know Smitty likes guys who can play multiple positions.  Plus I like the idea of a 333 lb mauler on the OL.

[freebird310]

I would be fine with Osemele because he is a plug and play guy that could give us a pro bowl caliber presence at RG for the next ten years, and he is versatile enough to slide across the line in an injury shuffle situation .....but I agree with Muskoka that another young devcelopmental DE at 3 is a fkng waste .get me a stud RB there instead, or a guy that can push DeCoud .......

[Matt_The Iceman_Ryan]

muskokas finest, on 18 April 2012 - 03:21 PM, said:

I disagree with his final sentence.  I think there is a value sacrifice when you are spending 2nd/3rd rounders on rotational players.  Where's the value added in yet another RG prospect, on top of Manuwai, Johnson, Reynolds, Hawley and Jackson or a DE who'll be a 5th wheel behind Abe. Edwards, Biermann and Sidbury.  Let's try for some impact players/positions.

I think really my take on why I would be fine with Osemele is that he could play OG / RT / maybe (a big maybe) LT...but, I mostly agree that at both positions we have players....

I was just offering some other names that were at the same position with similar draft grades....

I'm not really sure what my wish list is for our first two picks...maybe LT / TE / DE / CB????? BPA our of those positions???

[vel]

muskokas finest, on 18 April 2012 - 03:21 PM, said:

I disagree with his final sentence.  I think there is a value sacrifice when you are spending 2nd/3rd rounders on rotational players.  Where's the value added in yet another RG prospect, on top of Manuwai, Johnson, Reynolds, Hawley and Jackson or a DE who'll be a 5th wheel behind Abe. Edwards, Biermann and Sidbury.  Let's try for some impact players/positions.

FINALLY WE AGREE ON SOMETHING!!! Lol

But seriously, I don't understand why people are still clamoring for another RG and DE. Who do you cut? Why sign Manuwai? Does Sid continue to sit on the bench? Why draft Matthews? We need impact players. The players with room for depth will be targeted. That's LT,TE, WR, RB, CB/S.

[Gritz]

muskokas finest, on 18 April 2012 - 03:21 PM, said:

I disagree with his final sentence.  I think there is a value sacrifice when you are spending 2nd/3rd rounders on rotational players.  Where's the value added in yet another RG prospect, on top of Manuwai, Johnson, Reynolds, Hawley and Jackson or a DE who'll be a 5th wheel behind Abe. Edwards, Biermann and Sidbury.  Let's try for some impact players/positions.

Nailed it.

[kane#7]

I hate Kiper.

[MattRyan2Canton]

Speed back

[muskokas finest ©]

vel, on 18 April 2012 - 03:31 PM, said:

FINALLY WE AGREE ON SOMETHING!!! Lol

But seriously, I don't understand why people are still clamoring for another RG and DE. Who do you cut? Why sign Manuwai? Does Sid continue to sit on the bench? Why draft Matthews? We need impact players. The players with room for depth will be targeted. That's LT,TE, WR, RB, CB/S.

We agree to d@mn Kiper's mock.  That's a step, but a pretty small one.  Can't remember anyone loving a Kiper mock.

[muskokas finest ©]

Matt_The Iceman_Ryan, on 18 April 2012 - 03:30 PM, said:

I think really my take on why I would be fine with Osemele is that he could play OG / RT / maybe (a big maybe) LT...but, I mostly agree that at both positions we have players....

I was just offering some other names that were at the same position with similar draft grades....

I'm not really sure what my wish list is for our first two picks...maybe LT / TE / DE / CB????? BPA our of those positions???

I mentioned this in another thread.  I've kinda come full circle on drafting a RB early.  Originally, I was dead set against it, but when you look at the VORP on some of these players we're considering, maybe a guy like Lamar Miller would be a good pick.  Would fill the void when Turner leaves, yet could make enough of an impact this year as a change of pace.

[Falcanuck]

A DT or CB with our third after Osemele would be a better choice.

[g-dawg]

If we are going to convert Osemele to a Right Guard - why not just take a BIGGER, BETTER Right Guard in Brandon Brooks?

I don't think Osemele can play Left Tackle in the pro's.   Brooks is stronger, bigger and faster than Osemele - think the only thing Osemele has on Brooks is his arms might be an inch longer.

[niels petersen]

muskokas finest, on 18 April 2012 - 03:21 PM, said:

I disagree with his final sentence.  I think there is a value sacrifice when you are spending 2nd/3rd rounders on rotational players.  Where's the value added in yet another RG prospect, on top of Manuwai, Johnson, Reynolds, Hawley and Jackson or a DE who'll be a 5th wheel behind Abe. Edwards, Biermann and Sidbury.  Let's try for some impact players/positions.

Totally agree.. I don't see us picking up another DE or G, at least not with the first couple of picks, because the return of investment isn't as big when there will be lots of players in front these guys on the depth chart.

I don't see the real "need" for another DE. Sure we have a need for a pass rush, but adding another DE with a relatively high draft choice is not the way to get it done.

[delaigle]

muskokas finest, on 18 April 2012 - 03:21 PM, said:

I disagree with his final sentence.  I think there is a value sacrifice when you are spending 2nd/3rd rounders on rotational players.  Where's the value added in yet another RG prospect, on top of Manuwai, Johnson, Reynolds, Hawley and Jackson or a DE who'll be a 5th wheel behind Abe. Edwards, Biermann and Sidbury.  Let's try for some impact players/positions.

I agree with this, However, the same can be said about nearly every position on the team.
5 RBs already
4 TE
6 WR
6 CB
5 S
So what is the difference getting a better OL player and getting say a better RB?
a new RB may make a bigger "impact" but a better OL player may also lead to more wins.
I see no difference in "value"  just a bigger hoorah factor

Edited by delaigle, 18 April 2012 - 04:27 PM.

[delaigle]

niels petersen, on 18 April 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

Totally agree.. I don't see us picking up another DE or G, at least not with the first couple of picks, because the return of investment isn't as big when there will be lots of players in front these guys on the depth chart.

I don't see the real "need" for another DE. Sure we have a need for a pass rush, but adding another DE with a relatively high draft choice is not the way to get it done.

Last season many posters commented on collapsing the pocket,  so did the coaches at the end of the season.  Yet you hardly see anyone suggesting getting a DT who is actually able to collapse the pocket.

[Scott Carasik]

Osemele is being looked at by the Falcons as a LT... not as an RG. this draft is smart because Osemele should start at LT easily.

[Matt_The Iceman_Ryan]

muskokas finest, on 18 April 2012 - 04:11 PM, said:

I mentioned this in another thread.  I've kinda come full circle on drafting a RB early.  Originally, I was dead set against it, but when you look at the VORP on some of these players we're considering, maybe a guy like Lamar Miller would be a good pick.  Would fill the void when Turner leaves, yet could make enough of an impact this year as a change of pace.

I do think Turner is gone after this year, and Snelling is nothing more than a serviceable backup...Jaquizz, as much as I like him, will never be an every down RB....so maybe Rb could be a solid pick early....Miller, Wilson, Polk????

Or would you be okay with a rookie next year like Niles Davis, Kenyon Barner, Ray Graham, Monte Ball??? (all seniors, no underclassmen), although you would think that Lattimore would be a top 15 pick....

I think I would prefer a guy from this years crop....

[egoprime II]

g-dawg, on 18 April 2012 - 04:18 PM, said:

If we are going to convert Osemele to a Right Guard - why not just take a BIGGER, BETTER Right Guard in Brandon Brooks?

I don't think Osemele can play Left Tackle in the pro's.   Brooks is stronger, bigger and faster than Osemele - think the only thing Osemele has on Brooks is his arms might be an inch longer.

I have it on good authority, namely My SO (Significant Other), she says that extra inch means a lot....