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arm strength coach, on 17 April 2012 - 12:40 PM, said:

dont forget the napoleon dynamite-esque jumping chest-bump fail

I tried to find the gif lol, as far as actual play and off the field stuff, he's never been an embarrassment.

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#1 pick, on 17 April 2012 - 06:05 PM, said:

It's impossible to have an elite OL nowadays. The DL's are too big and athletic nowadays.

Use whatever term you like, but there are at least 16 teams in the NFL with better OL's that the Falcons and this makes them below average.  Did you miss the total domination by the Giants and Packers DL's the last two playoff playoff games?

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Quarterback, on 18 April 2012 - 06:43 AM, said:

Use whatever term you like, but there are at least 16 teams in the NFL with better OL's that the Falcons and this makes them below average.  Did you miss the total domination by the Giants and Packers DL's the last two playoff playoff games?

Falcons line has been rated average. Below average in pass blocking and good in run blocking. It's not hard to dominate with talent when you know Atlanta can't stretch the field.

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#1 pick, on 18 April 2012 - 06:46 AM, said:

Falcons line has been rated average. Below average in pass blocking and good in run blocking. It's not hard to dominate with talent when you know Atlanta can't stretch the field.

Did it at all cross your mind when you wrote above we are "below average in pass blocking" and "Atlanta can't stretch the field" that there just might be a cause and effect relationship there?

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Quarterback, on 18 April 2012 - 07:29 AM, said:

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Did it at all cross your mind when you wrote above we are "below average in pass blocking" and "Atlanta can't stretch the field" that there just might be a cause and effect relationship there?

maybe youre the one not seeing it. Chicken or the egg argument here.

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Quarterback, on 18 April 2012 - 07:29 AM, said:

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Did it at all cross your mind when you wrote above we are "below average in pass blocking" and "Atlanta can't stretch the field" that there just might be a cause and effect relationship there?

I think you have the assessment right, but not the chronology.  Defenses decided to stack the box and make the QB be the one to beat them, as opposed to the RB.  The QB has yet to make them pay for that strategy.

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muskokas finest, on 18 April 2012 - 07:42 AM, said:

I think you have the assessment right, but not the chronology.  Defenses decided to stack the box and make the QB be the one to beat them, as opposed to the RB.  The QB has yet to make them pay for that strategy.

Those defenses that stacked the box didn't just stand there waiting for Turner to come to them, did they?

No, they would attack and easily penetrate our weak OL, often getting to Turner behind the line, or pushing him laterally, thus also limiting the time for routes to develop. The opponent’s defensive backfields were instructed to man up with the Falcons receivers for just 3 seconds, and by this time, Ryan was being pushed, shoved or dropped.

It is just baffling to me how some of you do not comprehend that the primary issue with the Falcons offense is their.......OFENSIVE LINE.

Edited by Quarterback, 18 April 2012 - 07:53 AM.

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muskokas finest, on 18 April 2012 - 07:42 AM, said:

I think you have the assessment right, but not the chronology.  Defenses decided to stack the box and make the QB be the one to beat them, as opposed to the RB.  The QB has yet to make them pay for that strategy.

You know how you beat 8 men in the box? Not curls and comebacks.

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vel, on 18 April 2012 - 07:56 AM, said:

You know how you beat 8 men in the box? Not curls and comebacks.

We had an offensive approach based on the delusion we had an OL to match it.

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Quarterback, on 18 April 2012 - 07:52 AM, said:

Those defenses that stacked the box didn't just stand there waiting for Turner to come to them, did they?

No, they would attack and easily penetrate our weak OL, often getting to Turner behind the line, or pushing him laterally, thus also limiting the time for routes to develop. The opponent’s defensive backfields were instructed to man up with the Falcons receivers for just 3 seconds, and by this time, Ryan was being pushed, shoved or dropped.

It is just baffling to me how some of you do not comprehend that the primary issue with the Falcons offense is their.......OFENSIVE LINE.

Again it's semantics.  Is the line average in talent, but under too much pressure from a consistent defensive strategy of stacking the box that they look poor?   How come the Giants, boasting essentially the same quality of O-line personnel, did not suffer a similar fate?

I think the Julio Jones trade tells us that Dimitroff thought the line was adequate and the best way to optimize the value already invested in QB and skill players was to get more "explosive" with another attacking weapon.

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vel, on 18 April 2012 - 07:56 AM, said:

You know how you beat 8 men in the box? Not curls and comebacks.

Very true.  At some point you have to make the defense regret that strategy.  I know you'd like to suggest the OC couldn't adapt and again I'll suggest that level of incompetence would not have been allowed to exist.

[arm strength coach]

if ryan had better than a noodle arm he could fit the ball in tighter windows. Ryan needs his receivers to be wide open and even then he still has trouble. This aint the acc.

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muskokas finest, on 18 April 2012 - 08:07 AM, said:

Very true.  At some point you have to make the defense regret that strategy.  I know you'd like to suggest the OC couldn't adapt and again I'll suggest that level of incompetence would not have been allowed to exist.

would love to hear the dimitroffettes take on this.

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Quarterback, on 18 April 2012 - 08:00 AM, said:

We had an offensive approach based on the delusion we had an OL to match it.

You're right, I think there was a delusion involved, but was it in the belief of the quality of O-line play or the belief that the ability of the QB could overcome the average talent in the O-line.

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muskokas finest, on 18 April 2012 - 08:03 AM, said:

Again it's semantics.  Is the line average in talent, but under too much pressure from a consistent defensive strategy of stacking the box that they look poor?   How come the Giants, boasting essentially the same quality of O-line personnel, did not suffer a similar fate?

I think the Julio Jones trade tells us that Dimitroff thought the line was adequate and the best way to optimize the value already invested in QB and skill players was to get more "explosive" with another attacking weapon.

And this is exactly why I blame MM. Eli won a SB with a porous OLine. You know why? YAC. It makes the QBs job easier. MM does not know how to draw up route designs to get his playmakers in space and the ball on the move. The only route he knew was that drag to Julio.

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muskokas finest, on 18 April 2012 - 08:10 AM, said:

You're right, I think there was a delusion involved, but was it in the belief of the quality of O-line play or the belief that the ability of the QB could overcome the average talent in the O-line.

Like I've said repeatedly, Matt Ryan, to maximize his skill set, will either require a stout OL to give him more time for routes to open downfield, or we need to abandon this phylosophy and go with a quick strike, New England type offense.  Paraphrased, if we are not going to erect a stout, solid pass blocking OL, then Ryan is not the man for this offense if the 0ffensive approach will remain the same as it was under Mularkey.  We'd need a more mobile QB that will be on the move to escape the rush.

I'd rather try improvsing our OL than develop another QB that can run from the pocket pressure.

Edited by Quarterback, 18 April 2012 - 08:26 AM.

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vel, on 18 April 2012 - 08:23 AM, said:

And this is exactly why I blame MM. Eli won a SB with a porous OLine. You know why? YAC. It makes the QBs job easier. MM does not know how to draw up route designs to get his playmakers in space and the ball on the move. The only route he knew was that drag to Julio.

i pulled my hair out a hundred times last season watching ryan underthrow receivers. The lck of accuracy played a big part in the lack of yac. The routes were there ryan just couldnt hit them accurately whether you want to admit it or not.

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Quarterback, on 18 April 2012 - 08:25 AM, said:

Like I've said repeatedly, Matt Ryan, to maximize his skill set, will either require a stout OL to give him more time for routes to open downfield, or we need to abandon this phylosophy and go with a quick strike, New England type offense.  Paraphrased, if we are not going to erect a stout, solid pass blocking OL, then Ryan is not the man for this offense if the 0ffensive approach will remain the same as it was under Mularkey.  We'd need a more mobile QB that will be on the move to escape the rush.

I'd rather try improvsing our OL than develop another QB that can run from the pocket pressure.

so how do you think we can afford to upgrade the oline without selling off the weapons that makee ryan look better than he is?

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vel, on 18 April 2012 - 08:23 AM, said:

And this is exactly why I blame MM. Eli won a SB with a porous OLine. You know why? YAC. It makes the QBs job easier. MM does not know how to draw up route designs to get his playmakers in space and the ball on the move. The only route he knew was that drag to Julio.

YAC does cover a multitude of sins and JJ hit a few big home runs in that regard in 2011.  Again, you're saying Mularkey is a dummy who couldn't see the nose in front of his face, as opposed to the more likely scenario that the game was called in such a way as MM felt would most benefit the abilities of his players.

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Also, in the Packers playoff game they swarmed through our OL with amazing ease. In the Giants playoff game, their DL just completely manhandled our OL physically at the line of scrimmage which allowed them to blanket our receivers in the secondary.

That's two entirely different defensive game plans against our OL and both were equally effective. This means our OL can't stop any playoff caliber defense...pathetic!