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[Flayko247]

I realize there'll be some who'll say Brees is a Superbowl champion (true), definitely won more playoff games (also true), broke passing record (you guessed it...true), bigger arm, more poise, yadda, yadda, yaddda..............

But the purpose of this thread was to compare their numbers concerning their 1st four years starting at the QB position.  You can't accurately compare current stats as Brees has been in the league alot longer.  No one knows what Ryan's numbers will be when given that same amount of time.

Drew Brees' Stats 1st 5 years in the league

(Rookie season not included as he only played in 1 game)

Year Team G Att Comp Pct Yds Yds/G TD Int Rtg
2002 Chargers 16 526 320 60.8 3,284 205.2 17 16 76.9
2003 Chargers 11 356 205 57.6 2,108 191.6 11 15 67.5
2004 Chargers 15 400 262 65.5 3,159 210.6 27 7 104.8
2005 Chargers 16 500 323 64.6 3,576 223.5 24 15 89.2
　

Matt Ryan's Stats 1st 4 years in the league

　

Year Team G Att Comp Pct Yds Yds/G TD Int Rtg
2008 Falcons 16 434 265 61.6 3,440 215 16 11 87.7
2009 Falcons 14 451 263 58.3 2,916 208.2 22 14 80.9
2010 Falcons 16 571 357 62.5 3,705 231.5 28 9 91.0
2011 Falcons 16 566 347 61.3 4,177 261 29 12 92.2


So looking at these stats, there's no reason to think Ryan won't reach that elite status.  Can he?  Time will tell, but to just assume he won't is quite absurd!!

Brees didn't become "elite" until he joined the Saints which, in my opinion, has more to do with his coaching moreso than him just being "better" than Ryan.

With Koetter and a new offensive philosphy, this may ( I did say MAY) be the coaching change that takes Ryan to the next level.   Time will tell.

[kane#7]

Die hard Falcon fan here....

Brees > Ryan

[Torris]

I won't agree that Brees isn't better than Ryan, because hes better than more than half of the QBs in the league but I do agree you won't know where a young QB will be in a few years. Ryan might be elite or not. So far the arrow is pointing up, but you never know. He could become elite or not, but all I know is he's done more good than bad. Those saying Ryan will never be anything because of his first 4 years are obviously new to the NFL.

[Flayko247]

kane#7, on 16 April 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:

Die hard Falcon fan here....

Brees > Ryan

I understand your thinking, but my point was Brees has had more years of experience.  Who's to say Ryan can't or won't be as good when he's been in the league for 11 years??

[FalconsManhood]

Brees is better than Ryan, u don't get points in the NFL for potential. Can Ryan develop? Of course, unfortunately we don't have Sean Payton, we have scraps left over from  the 32 ranked offense

Let's hope for the best

[Jah]

Ryan may end up being just as good, if not better than, Brees.  However, right now, Brees is WAY ahead of Ryan.

[Falconsin2012]

kane#7, on 16 April 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:

Die hard Falcon fan here....

Brees > Ryan

Ditto... I love Ryan too, but the comparison is non-existent at this point.  Not saying it will never be a relevant comparison, just not yet.

[FalconsManhood]

Flayko247, on 16 April 2012 - 08:40 PM, said:

I understand your thinking, but my point was Brees has had more years of experience.  Who's to say Ryan can't or won't be as good when he's been in the league for 11 years??

Ur thread title is gonna get u a lot of this and further glorify how bad homerism has taken over this board

[ChickenBiscuit]

Brees is currently an elite QB, and much better than Matt Ryan.

With that being said, Brees first four years weren't exactly glorious, and Matt Ryan has been more consistent and (imo) better in his first four years. This thread is gonna go to **** in a second, though.

[paulitik]

This argument has been made multiple times, and I agree with the basic premise.and you cant argue Brees isn't a better QB right now. Bree's has twice the experience, and a system suited for his talent, but all people will see when clicking this thread is that some Atlanta guy is saying Matt is better than Brees.

it does us no good to create threads like this. Ryan's first 4 years were better than Brees, but that fact is lost on the haters. All you are doing is making another troll bait thread that does nothing but rehash an endless debate, and give fodder for the trolls to hijack yet another Ryan thread. On top of that you are inviting every douchenozzle Aints fan to jump in and turn this place into more of a sh**storm than it already is.

Next time just don't make this thread. It's a waste of all of our time and energy. Everything to say about Ryan has been said until the season starts. The last thing this place needs is another Ryan thread.

Please don't take offense to this post, your intentions are admirable,  it's just that this place has been a nightmare of Ryan hate lately and all this does is just feed the fire.

[Falconjerome]

I bet after 8yrs in the NFL Ryan willbe in the same class as Brees. Right now Brees is better, blah, that killed me typing that. I feel like i just cheated on my team, lol.

[Stryka]

FalconsManhood, on 16 April 2012 - 08:42 PM, said:

Brees is better than Ryan, u don't get points in the NFL for potential. Can Ryan develop? Of course, unfortunately we don't have Sean Payton, we have scraps left over from  the 32 ranked offense

Let's hope for the best

totally missing the point of the thread. Potential is there and every year he has improved. Smh.

[Falconjerome]

Who ever thougt Brees would be this could after that major shoulder injury? I didn't and untill this bounty deal, i had alot of respect for Brees.

[Stryka]

paulitik, on 16 April 2012 - 08:56 PM, said:

This argument has been made multiple times, and I agree with the basic premise.but you cant argue Brees isn't a better QB right now. Bree's has twice the experience, and a system suited for his talent, but all people will see when clicking this thread is that some Atlanta guy is saying Matt is better than Brees.

it does us no good to create threads like this. Ryan's first 4 years were better than Brees, but that fact is lost on the haters. All you are doing is making another troll bait thread that does nothing but rehash an endless debate, and give fodder for the trolls to hijack yet another Ryan thread. On top of that you are inviting every douchenozzle Aints fan to jump in and turn this place into more of a sh**storm than it already is.

Next time just don't make this thread. It's a waste of all of our time and energy. Everything to say about Ryan has been said until the season starts. The last thing this place needs is another Ryan thread.

Please don't take offense to this post, your intentions are admirable,  it's just that this place has been a nightmare of Ryan hate lately and all this does is just feed the fire.

as a long time poster I couldn't agree more but I think as a fan you don't have to cower to the trolls and not post because you don't wanna be attacked. I think if you feel you have something insightful, post it because some younger fans or less knowledgeable fans are probably lookin for just that.

[danight]

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Brees didn't become "elite" until he joined the Saints which, in my opinion, has more to do with his coaching moreso than him just being "better" than Ryan.

With Koetter and a new offensive philosphy, this may ( I did say MAY) be the coaching change that takes Ryan to the next level. Time will tell.

He was on his way with the Chargers. He was better than Rivers and Rivers has also been considered as Elite (at times).
Ryan is younger and is playing a power running game system. Hard to be Elite when your not spreading it around in shoot outs. We use the run to set up the pass and the Saints do just the opposite.

Now if Brees got hit or pressured more he would start looking human and his line deserves just as much credit for making him look great. But brees is a elite player. His talent speaks for itself in the fact he can gun it out with anyone on any given day and he knows whats going on during the game.

[Stryka]

Flayko made a mistake by titiing the thread the way he did. All of the trolls and MB morons can easily attack this thread by going to the immediate argument of who is better right now.  It is obvious his intention was to show the 4 yr sample observation of the beginning of their careers.

Flayko, keep posting buddy, great insight and dont let the trolls stop you from being a constructive member of this MB

[Dem Birds]

kane#7, on 16 April 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:

Die hard Falcon fan here....

Brees > Ryan

No one is debating that now. Way to contribute!

[WeNeedaQB]

Matt Ryan did not score a single point in a playoff game.

Edited by WeNeedaQB, 16 April 2012 - 09:24 PM.

[paulitik]

WeNeedaQB, on 16 April 2012 - 09:20 PM, said:

Matt Ryan did not score a single poit in a playoff game.

Yeah , Peyton Manning and Eli Manning both have been in playoff games where they got blanked. I guess they suck too

[WeNeedaQB]

paulitik, on 16 April 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

Yeah , Peyton Manning and Eli Manning both have been in playoff games where they got blanked. I guess they suck too

No.

They do not suck.

Eli won the Super Bowl last year and played like a man.

Peyton won a Super Bowl also and is a first ballot hall of famer.

Ryan is none of those things.

You know what we need.

Also. Neither of those guys is a coach killer.

Edited by WeNeedaQB, 16 April 2012 - 09:29 PM.