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ChickenBiscuit, on 14 April 2012 - 11:57 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure 25 teams would not want Matt Ryan over there starting QBs. However, the Browns, Dolphins, Bills, Raiders, Chiefs,   Cardinals, 49ers, Rams, Seahawks and Jets would all take Matt Ryan over their starting QBs in a heart beat.

You can add the Titans, Jaguars, Redskins, Colts, Vikings to that list as well. That's 15 teams who's current starting QB is worst than Ryan.

[JayOzOne]

Haters gonna hate.

[MSalmon]

TheIdowu, on 14 April 2012 - 02:26 PM, said:

I wont beleve it till I see it.  I have seen no proof or evidence Ryan can or will be elite.

Statements like this are rather absurd. With the exception of an injury in his second season, which caused a slippage in stats, Matt has consistently improved every year in TDs (more consistently rather than hugely but 29 TDs are good), in yardage, rating , ypg and ypa...the kid is an ascending player. I do not understand how fans on this board constantly badmouth a QB with almost 15k yds, an 88.1 QB rating and 95 TDs and only 46 INts in 4 short seasons (remember he missed 2 games in 09 but got us on track) and oh, btw a 43 and 21 record. Let's average those out: that's 3600 yds passing, almost 24 TDs vs 11 ints and almost 11 wins per season (vs 5 losses). And 3 playoff appearances in 4 seasons--just missing the playoffs in his second year and 4 straight winning seasons. And, let's not forget the ROY award.

What the heck more do we want? Did he choke in playoffs--yup...Did other key falcons as well--yup... Did Vick accomplish this type of consistency on such a high level? Nope. Chandler? Nope. The beloved bartowski (a number 1 overall pick like Vick)? Nope?

Seriously, folks be grateful and optimistic. And all this was done with a very inflexible OC with  a very predicatable game plan. And, did i mention, that our stud rookie last year, with his 959 yds rcving and 8 Tds in only 13 games, will now have a full season of OTAs, and training camp (remember strike last year) under his belt. So, I'm kinda thinking JJ will be even more studly.

the future is bright. Nuff said, haters.

[#1 pick]

falconsfan567, on 15 April 2012 - 01:30 AM, said:

You can add the Titans, Jaguars, Redskins, Colts, Vikings to that list as well. That's 15 teams who's current starting QB is worst than Ryan.

Redskins and Colts would rather have Luck or RGIII. Titans have Locker.

[Gritz]

MSalmon, on 15 April 2012 - 07:06 AM, said:

Statements like this are rather absurd. With the exception of an injury in his second season, which caused a slippage in stats, Matt has consistently improved every year in TDs (more consistently rather than hugely but 29 TDs are good), in yardage, rating , ypg and ypa...the kid is an ascending player. I do not understand how fans on this board constantly badmouth a QB with almost 15k yds, an 88.1 QB rating and 95 TDs and only 46 INts in 4 short seasons (remember he missed 2 games in 09 but got us on track) and oh, btw a 43 and 21 record. Let's average those out: that's 3600 yds passing, almost 24 TDs vs 11 ints and almost 11 wins per season (vs 5 losses). And 3 playoff appearances in 4 seasons--just missing the playoffs in his second year and 4 straight winning seasons. And, let's not forget the ROY award.

What the heck more do we want? Did he choke in playoffs--yup...Did other key falcons as well--yup... Did Vick accomplish this type of consistency on such a high level? Nope. Chandler? Nope. The beloved bartowski (a number 1 overall pick like Vick)? Nope?

Seriously, folks be grateful and optimistic. And all this was done with a very inflexible OC with  a very predicatable game plan. And, did i mention, that our stud rookie last year, with his 959 yds rcving and 8 Tds in only 13 games, will now have a full season of OTAs, and training camp (remember strike last year) under his belt. So, I'm kinda thinking JJ will be even more studly.

the future is bright. Nuff said, haters.

Good post....I need to read more of these to remind me of what Ryan has accomplished already and what he could potentially do with a more creative OC.

As for the posters who have a bizarre and unnatural dislike for Ryan....it's easy at this point to just ignore them. I can't understand Falcon fans who seem to take joy in Ryan's failures. If you would rather be right than have the Falcons/Ryan succeed then you're pretty much dead to me.

[MSalmon]

Gritz, on 15 April 2012 - 07:18 AM, said:

Good post....I need to read more of these to remind me of what Ryan has accomplished already and what he could potentially do with a more creative OC.

As for the posters who have a bizarre and unnatural dislike for Ryan....it's easy at this point to just ignore them. I can't understand Falcon fans who seem to take joy in Ryan's failures. If you would rather be right than have the Falcons/Ryan succeed then you're pretty much dead to me.

Gritz, thanks. And, i agree with you 100%! If he was still mired in the bowels of the 80 QB rating, the trying to reach 3k yds passing and below 20 TDs (sounds like Vick, huh?); I could see the hate. But, he's not. And one thing i left out: he has not had a stellar line in front of him.

Plus, we have to remember, that all the stud QBs right now--with exception of Brady (who statistically took a while to emerge, but won SBs with that stellar defense) took a while to climb to elite status. Aaron Rodgers sat 3 years behind Favre in his first year as a starter, which was his 4th year was good for 4k yds, 28 TDs and 13 Ints with a 93 QB rating.  Ryan's numbers were actually a bit better--but very similar. And, Ryan has 3 years of starting under his belt.  Brees was in his 6th season and his second team when he became "elite."  Peyton was far greater statistically than any of the elite QBs--but we all know how long it took him for playoff success. Interesting aside: Brady was in his 6th season when he broke the 4K mark. In his 6th season he had 4,110 yds, 26Td and 14 ints, with a 92.3 rating! Again, notice that all these stud QBs in their 4th (rodgers) or 6th season (with exception of Peyton) had almost exactly the same numbers as Ryan! Weird, huh? Coincidence? Nah, it's called evolution and maturity of QBs. The game slowed down for them and talent took over. I see Ryan going down the same path. Possibly even better. And, oh yeah, with the exception of Brady look when their SB win(s) occurred

Bottom line: the future is bright.

[muskokas finest ©]

falconsfan567, on 15 April 2012 - 01:30 AM, said:

You can add the Titans, Jaguars, Redskins, Colts, Vikings to that list as well. That's 15 teams who's current starting QB is worst than Ryan.

Denver.  Presumably the OP was talking long term.  Manning is great, but he's also a 36 year old with neck issues.

[Walt]

Quarterback, on 14 April 2012 - 02:28 PM, said:

That's "indicted," pinhead.

Brains aren't everything. In fact, in your case they're nothing.

I have seen so many of these rude responses. Have you never made a typo error? Why bother with a response such as this? Does it make you feel 'smarter' to correct an obvious mistake then insult the guy?  Get a life!!

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Walt, on 15 April 2012 - 08:34 AM, said:

I have seen so many of these rude responses. Have you never made a typo error? Why bother with a response such as this? Does it make you feel 'smarter' to correct an obvious mistake then insult the guy?  Get a life!!

That's a spillover feud from another thread that got quite carried away.

[CraigSmackDaddy]

#1 pick, on 15 April 2012 - 07:11 AM, said:

Redskins and Colts would rather have Luck or RGIII. Titans have Locker.

And how do you know this?  Titans have Locker but wanted Peyton badly.  Add Philadelphia to that list.  That's right Ookie fans, Philly would take Ryan over Vick in a heartbeat

Edited by CraigSmackDaddy, 15 April 2012 - 09:10 AM.

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CraigSmackDaddy, on 15 April 2012 - 09:08 AM, said:

And how do you know this?  Titans have Locker but wanted Peyton badly.  Add Philadelphia to that list.  That's right Ookie fans, Philly would take Ryan over Vick in a heartbeat

Lol

[youngbloodz]

I'm sure Andy Reid would like to have Ryan. He would make him a better QB. Don't know if he would take him over Vick. He needs to improve greatly in the playoffs.

[Swiftee]

cooperbh, on 15 April 2012 - 12:15 AM, said:

What else did he tell you?

think 1pick was joking around there bud lolllllllll

[KGrillz]

I agree with that statement. If the Falcons had an OL Ryan would be one of the elite QBs. I hope this upcoming season he puts us over the top.

[texasbirdfan]

MrJay, on 14 April 2012 - 02:13 PM, said:

i tend to agree as well. Put in the right system & with a good o-line he could really step into the "elite class." Suprisingly mr. know it all, trent dilfer said Andy Dalton and Jay Cutler were next as well, which i definately dont agree with. Andy Dalton maybe later but definitely not this early.

Either way now that hes in a new "stretch the field" type offense, i think we could really see a whole different player this year. If he works on his arm strength and a couple other basic skills, all you ryan haters will bite your tongue and wish you never said anything.

You oversold this one on Ryan.  He was one of 6 qb's named on the ESPN video piece it wasn't the Matt Ryan Show- you can add Stafford, Freeman and Romo to your previously mentioned 3

[RubberDucky]

Anyone saying they don't see evidence of Ryan becoming elite needs to watch a new sport, because their football IQ just aint there.

[ChickenBiscuit]

MSalmon, on 15 April 2012 - 07:39 AM, said:

Gritz, thanks. And, i agree with you 100%! If he was still mired in the bowels of the 80 QB rating, the trying to reach 3k yds passing and below 20 TDs (sounds like Vick, huh?); I could see the hate. But, he's not. And one thing i left out: he has not had a stellar line in front of him.

Plus, we have to remember, that all the stud QBs right now--with exception of Brady (who statistically took a while to emerge, but won SBs with that stellar defense) took a while to climb to elite status. Aaron Rodgers sat 3 years behind Favre in his first year as a starter, which was his 4th year was good for 4k yds, 28 TDs and 13 Ints with a 93 QB rating.  Ryan's numbers were actually a bit better--but very similar. And, Ryan has 3 years of starting under his belt.  Brees was in his 6th season and his second team when he became "elite."  Peyton was far greater statistically than any of the elite QBs--but we all know how long it took him for playoff success. Interesting aside: Brady was in his 6th season when he broke the 4K mark. In his 6th season he had 4,110 yds, 26Td and 14 ints, with a 92.3 rating! Again, notice that all these stud QBs in their 4th (rodgers) or 6th season (with exception of Peyton) had almost exactly the same numbers as Ryan! Weird, huh? Coincidence? Nah, it's called evolution and maturity of QBs. The game slowed down for them and talent took over. I see Ryan going down the same path. Possibly even better. And, oh yeah, with the exception of Brady look when their SB win(s) occurred

Bottom line: the future is bright.

God, it makes me so angry when people take all the credit from Tom Brady for winning 3 Super Bowls. He worked hard for everything he has, he outplayed Drew Bledsoe, he broke several records, and played his *** off through every single season. He's a HUGE asset to the team and without him, they wouldn't be nearly as good. Defense or not.

[Falconsfan567™]

ChickenBiscuit, on 15 April 2012 - 01:17 PM, said:

God, it makes me so angry when people take all the credit from Tom Brady for winning 3 Super Bowls. He worked hard for everything he has, he outplayed Drew Bledsoe, he broke several records, and played his *** off through every single season. He's a HUGE asset to the team and without him, they wouldn't be nearly as good. Defense or not.

I think he meant the first Super Bowl the Patriots won. Brady was nothing more than a game manager as is Ryan right now.

That first year Brady had only 18 touchdowns and 12 interceptions with less than 3,000 yards passing. In the playoffs that year he had only 1 TD and 1 INT with less than 600 yards passing. So yeah Brady benefited from having a great defense that first year. A defense that held the Rams who scored over 500 points in the regular season to only 17 points in the Super Bowl.

[Torris]

How many different Ryan debates are there on this site?

He's a top ten QB statistically. Team wins equate to team losses so if you talk about his failures, why not his successions? Ryan is not the reason the FALCONS are 0-3 in the playoffs. Get over it. He is a truly good QB, with many years ahead of him. All you Ryan hatres might wanna just go to another team because Ryan will be extended soon much to your dismay.

[#1 pick]

CraigSmackDaddy, on 15 April 2012 - 09:08 AM, said:

And how do you know this?  Titans have Locker but wanted Peyton badly.  Add Philadelphia to that list.  That's right Ookie fans, Philly would take Ryan over Vick in a heartbeat

Peyton>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ryan
Ookie? I am not going for that stupid type of bait.