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[Sir Saint]

sharky, on 13 April 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

Everyone knows that Ryan is not accurate with the long ball so what do we do if he continue to struggle?  Do we look for someone who can, or do we stay with Ryan.  What will be best for the team and how do we move forward?  I really curious.

if ya'll still looking for a QB this late in the game...ya'll are in trouble. the saints are coming for you DIRTY PIGEONS! " RISE UP " to get knocked down

Edited by Sir Saint, 13 April 2012 - 04:01 PM.

[ChickenBiscuit]

Sir Saint, on 13 April 2012 - 04:00 PM, said:

if ya'll still looking for a QB this late in the game...ya'll are in trouble. the saints are coming for you DIRTY PIGEONS! " RISE UP " to get knocked down

Got a profile pic for you.

Good luck with Joe Vitt and your OL Coach as HC for half of the season, LOL

Edited by ChickenBiscuit, 13 April 2012 - 04:04 PM.

[Swiftee]

arm strength coach, on 13 April 2012 - 03:54 PM, said:

translation: i have no viable rebuttal.

that simple ..

[sharky]

Sir Saint, on 13 April 2012 - 04:00 PM, said:

if ya'll still looking for a QB this late in the game...ya'll are in trouble. the saints are coming for you DIRTY PIGEONS! " RISE UP " to get knocked down

Glad to see Aints fans on a Falcons MB.  WOW!

[PSSSHHHRRR87]

If Ryan shows that he is incapable of developing an accurate long ball, then it is up to Keotter to develop a system that Ryan can flourish in.  You don't give up on Ryan just because he doesn't have pinpoint accuracy on the deep ball.  It is just as much on the receiver who catches the ball as it is the quarterback that throws the ball to have a successful deep ball game.  Megatron was still able to come up with a lot of Stafford's under thrown deep balls...

arm strength coach, on 13 April 2012 - 01:05 PM, said:

its going to suck when we look back and see that we missed out on cam luck and rgIII waiting for noodles to hit puberty.

dirtybirdz10984, on 13 April 2012 - 01:07 PM, said:

what has luck and rgIII done in the NFL?
cam had one year. let me know when he can have a winning season


not you. talking about are strength

...and we didn't miss out on luck, rgIII, and cam... we never has a shot at drafting them... I would rather have a team that has a good quarterback than be a bottom dweller still waiting to get a great one.  Atlanta fans have had it good with QB's for a while that I think we have forgotten how it fells to be Miami, Cleveland, or Oakland... Having Bartkowski, and then Chandler, Vick, and now Ryan... Don't know how good we got it!

[Falconjerome]

I have seen Ryan throw the deep ball and he is pretty good at it. However, when it is only called to do it once or twice a game, then it looks way worse when he misses then if he is doing it 10+ times a game.

[arm strength coach]

sharky, on 13 April 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

Glad to see Aints fans on a Falcons MB.  WOW!

the only lower life form than a ryanette is a taint fan.

[arm strength coach]

Falconjerome, on 13 April 2012 - 04:12 PM, said:

I have seen Ryan throw the deep ball and he is pretty good at it. However, when it is only called to do it once or twice a game, then it looks way worse when he misses then if he is doing it 10+ times a game.

stop with the excuses. Nobody goes deep 10 + times per game. Its probably rare to see 5+ per game.

[Falconjerome]

Not making excuses, but name 6 QBs better than Ryan in the NFL right now.

[muskokas finest ©]

Quarterback, on 13 April 2012 - 02:43 PM, said:

Good response, with the exception of how these pinheads that started this thread, or are in support of this topic, why do they bother you so?

I played a little QB...from HS to College and even a couple of undistinguished years on an NFL squad---thus as someone with more than a view from their TV or the nosebleed section, I happen to believe that Matt Ryan is a Super Bowl caliber QB and just a lilliputian level below Rodgers, Brees, and the Manning’s.

Can he improve? Indeed--who can't other than the aforementioned QB's?

However, keep in mind that in a recent poll by Falcon fans and members on this board, the great majority (about 85% or above as I recall) ranked Ryan in the 1st or 2nd of skill and ability while less than 2-3% said to dump him--this from a city enamored still with Mike Vick!

So, always keep in mind when you view the comments here and other threads from these shillyshallying, ill-informed, unwitting, and often illiterate pinheads here incessantly criticizing Ryan, they are in the gross minority of fans, and utterly laughed upon by actual player, coaches or true experts of NFL talent evaluation.

This is why they don't bother me--they suffer from rectal-cranial inversion and for most this condition is grave and irreversible.

Step back for a second.  Do you hear yourself?  You come on here saying basically this: "I was a NFL caliber QB.  I come on the Atlanta Falcons message board to offer my expert opinion on Matt Ryan.  I am so confident that Matt Ryan will be elite, I won't even back it up with my real name, so I'll just call myself "QB".  As you can see by my 2600+ plus posts, I am clearly unbiased and will offer up no empirical evidence, other than my expert neutral opinion."

In your mind, Matt Ryan is on the way to greatness and anyone who denies that must be an agenda-driven numbskull.  Talk about agendas!  Stop talking in b.s.extremes (85% think he's #1 or #2 in skill/ability).   A lot of us have some very legitimate concerns about just how far Matt Ryan can carry this team and the investment the team has made in him.  There is no animosity attached to it, at least from myself and a number of others.  Like any MB there is a lunatic fringe with their own need for attention, but any half-wit can separate out that bunch.

Your post should go into the Hall of Fame, just for the audacity with which you present and represent yourself, as well as presuming to represent scouting expertise.

[paulitik]

muskokas finest, on 13 April 2012 - 04:35 PM, said:

Step back for a second.  Do you hear yourself?  You come on here saying basically this: "I was a NFL caliber QB.  I come on the Atlanta Falcons message board to offer my expert opinion on Matt Ryan.  I am so confident that Matt Ryan will be elite, I won't even back it up with my real name, so I'll just call myself "QB".  As you can see by my 2600+ plus posts, I am clearly unbiased and will offer up no empirical evidence, other than my expert neutral opinion."

In your mind, Matt Ryan is on the way to greatness and anyone who denies that must be an agenda-driven numbskull.  Talk about agendas!  Stop talking in b.s.extremes (85% think he's #1 or #2 in skill/ability).   A lot of us have some very legitimate concerns about just how far Matt Ryan can carry this team and the investment the team has made in him.  There is no animosity attached to it, at least from myself and a number of others.  Like any MB there is a lunatic fringe with their own need for attention, but any half-wit can separate out that bunch.

Your post should go into the Hall of Fame, just for the audacity with which you present and represent yourself, as well as presuming to represent scouting expertise.

We've all known he was a NFL QB for years. This isn't new. I don't blame anyone for keeping their names anonymous. Just because he thinks Matt is Super Bowl caliber, doesn't mean Matt will live up to it, and it doesn't mean he can't. He sees, with far more credibility than you, what most reasonable people see, Matt Ryan has the potential to be a great, elite even, QB. He would have never been drafted #3 overall if he wasn't.

No one on this board has said Matt was elite now, no one has said he's a HOFer. We just see a good QB on the path to be great. No one is guaranteeing he will be great, but every QB we've ever had, he's got the clearest path. If that is to happen, that's up to Matt and the coaching staff to let it happen. Neither you or i have the power to make Matt great.

You have decided he's plateaued despite tons of evidence,I'm talking easy, google it,  top of the page type evidence, to the contrary. In your mind, Matt's as good as he'll ever be at 26 years old. That's not a legitimate opinion. It's biased dislike. You don't want Matt to be great, therefore he can't be.

We're Falcons fans, is there a little homeristic optimism in our opinions sometimes? Absolutely, but there isn't a **** thing wrong with that. That said, his record speaks for itself, and it compares very favorably to every great to ever play the game their first few years, no matter what inconsequential little stat you spin to make your case.

[muskokas finest ©]

paulitik, on 13 April 2012 - 04:46 PM, said:

You have decided he's plateaued despite tons of evidence,I'm talking easy, google it,  top of the page type evidence, to the contrary. In your mind, Matt's as good as he'll ever be at 26 years old. That's not a legitimate opinion. It's biased dislike. You don't want Matt to be great, therefore he can't be.

I don't know how you can keep associating an opinion of a players relative worth as biased dislike.  As I have told you before, I've been a fan of the team for decades and I am not cheering against any Falcon.  I would love for Matt Ryan to take us to the top.  Why can't you see the distinction?  I don't think Kroy Bierman will ever be a difference maker.  Do I hate him too, or is that just my personal evaluation, formed by watching 4 years of his games?

You love Matt Ryan and because so many pundits have said he is going to be great, you can't stand the thought of him not being any better than a top 10 QB.  Just because someone doesn't share that opinion, doesn't mean they don't respect the players ability and efforts.  You only see this as win or fail miserably, when in fact there are many other possible outcomes

As to your Google proof, why don't you post a few links, not from TV talking heads, but current and with specific details.

[muskokas finest ©]

paulitik, on 13 April 2012 - 04:46 PM, said:

We've all known he was a NFL QB for years. This isn't new. I don't blame anyone for keeping their names anonymous. Just because he thinks Matt is Super Bowl caliber, doesn't mean Matt will live up to it, and it doesn't mean he can't. He sees, with far more credibility than you, what most reasonable people see, Matt Ryan has the potential to be a great, elite even, QB. He would have never been drafted #3 overall if he wasn't.

Nobody brings names to a message board and anyone who comes with the kind of message and tone that he did is laughable.  Every bit as laughable as the guy who says he makes such and such money, or the guy who wants to meet and duke it out over a difference of opinion.  Anyone who needs to name drop to reinforce their opinion, has a weak argument.

[cooperbh]

sharky, on 13 April 2012 - 01:38 PM, said:

Well, you do understand that this is a very important position on the team right?

Wrong. Everyone knows the NFL is a punter driven league.

Seriously, you really suck at threads. Just stop.

[sharky]

cooperbh, on 13 April 2012 - 05:19 PM, said:

Wrong. Everyone knows the NFL is a punter driven league.

Seriously, you really suck at threads. Just stop.

But yet you like reading them.  Honestly, I think you come on this MB for a different reason that's not condusive to what we are trying to do here.  We have major concerns for this team and we come here to express them.  Have you posted your concerns, or do you think your threads suck as well?  Oh yeah, I don't feel bad for posting but I'll feel bad for you if you keep reading them, especially if you don't like the topic.  Almost sounds like someone is twisting yuour arm.  

[Culain_04]

arm strength coach, on 13 April 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

i completely agree. Mortgaging the future for a wr when we needed a qb was a huge failure.

You are a Dumba$$, please leave your mothers basement and join the real world.

[egoprime II]

sharky, on 13 April 2012 - 02:33 PM, said:

Don't get me wrong, I want Ryan to be here.  However, there is this one problem that everyone is familiar with, and that's the ability to throw the deep ball and/or making the right read.  We now have WR's who are capable of getting open down the field and Ryan has to get these guys the ball.  You've never heard me say I don't want Ryan here but Ryan has some issues he need to be able to work out.  Dude you probably need to tone it down a little b/c you may not be seeing this the right way.

There is nothing, absolutely nothing, wrong with Ryan that a good O line would not fix.

I know  Ryan haters do not like to hear that, after all Ryan is supposed to be able to 'overcome his bad pass protection'.  That is pure hogwash bull right there.   Bad protection is just that, bad protection.  You can throw short to get the ball out as quick as possible but you will not have time to throw deep, plus when the middle of your line blows up in your face, there goes stepping into your throws so you CAN make accurate deep passes.

This is not my opinion.  This is solid winning football fact.  Wishful thinking and Ryan bashing will not change it either.

Edited by egoprime II, 13 April 2012 - 06:47 PM.

[egoprime II]

ChickenBiscuit, on 13 April 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

Matt Ryan has 4 winning seasons, his overall record is 43-19, he just eclipsed 4,000 yards, something no QB in Atlanta history has ever done, most 4th quarter comeback wins in a single season, most game winning drives in a single season, most wins in a regular season by a starting QB (franchise history), first rookie quarterback to start all 16 regular season games and make the playoffs, he's consecutively put up great statistics every season and has led us to 3 playoff appearances and 4 winning seasons when we couldn't even get back-to-back a few years ago. Sure, he can do better against better teams, yeah he needs to improve his deep ball, but we all know he's working to improve that.

It absolutely maddens me that people want to get rid of him and ship him off for a few first round picks (and then have the audacity to say he's not worth that), just because of 3 (One of which was his rookie year) mediocre performances. If you guys are naive enough to believe a hard working, media-friendly, statistically improving 26 year old non-injury prone QB can never get better, then your knowledge of the game is too abysmal to even bother arguing.

Every time I go on the website, I hope that maybe we can have a good discussion, maybe we can actually have a thread where everyone just isn't accusing people of being trolls and trying to make clever comments to fish in likes, but every single time I'm disappointed with the same pessimistic pests that ruin these boards. We have our guy, but we want someone like Rodgers, we want someone like Brees, we want someone like Brady (Brady, of which is very possible), we can't settle for "good enough" because we want something "fantastic", but let me ask you this. How long did it take for Peyton Manning and Drew Brees to win a playoff game?
Did they improve? Are they not some of the best QBs to ever play the game? Of course Ryan isn't "elite", we've all ******* established that he's been nothing above mediocre in the playoffs, but let's not act like it's only been his fault. There are a lot of things wrong with this team, but Ryan is the least of our concerns and we can't waste time daydreaming of the best.

It doesn't matter what you think, because even if you want Ryan gone, he's going to be here because that's what the team wants, that's what management wants and that's what half of the fans with a brain want. He's not going anywhere, so unless your trollbaiting, find something to talk about or **** off.

The only thing you left out is Ryan's pass protection sux.

Other than that, you hit all the major points and then some.  Good job.

But many posters here who do not care about anything but replacing or bashing Ryan, they will ignore this post and not even bear it in mind.

[Mr. Right]

egoprime II, on 13 April 2012 - 06:46 PM, said:

There is nothing, absolutely nothing, wrong with Ryan that a good O line would not fix.

I know  Ryan haters do not like to hear that, after all Ryan is supposed to be able to 'overcome his bad pass protection'.  That is pure hogwash bull right there.   Bad protection is just that, bad protection.  You can throw short to get the ball out as quick as possible but you will not have time to throw deep, plus when the middle of your line blows up in your face, there goes stepping into your throws so you CAN make accurate deep passes.

This is not my opinion.  This is solid winning football fact.  Wishful thinking and Ryan bashing will not change it either.

Nothing wrong with giving Ryan protection.  Every QB in the world would perform better with a good o-line.  But we've already given Ryan a HOF TE, Pro-Bowl WR, a WR that cost 5 picks, a Pro-Bowl RB, and $11M contract a year.  People have also said he needs an elite defense too.

There just isn't enough money to go around and TD isn't a genius at drafting - he's at best average.

Ryan needs to perform with what he has because there just isn't much more we can do.  Just look at the salary cap situation right now.  We can't sign Grimes/Lofton, etc...  We couldn't bring in Grubbs or Nicks because we just don't have the money.

Edited by Mr. Right, 13 April 2012 - 07:01 PM.

[egoprime II]

sharky, on 13 April 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

Everyone knows that Ryan is not accurate with the long ball so what do we do if he continue to struggle?  Do we look for someone who can, or do we stay with Ryan.  What will be best for the team and how do we move forward?  I really curious.

Everyone is not the word I would use since its not true.

And fortunately our FO is not that out of touch with reality.  Matt Ryan is going to be here for a very long time.  AB will see to that.