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[VaderMan]

If he comes from the list Dawg just posted, I wouldnt mind it being Egnew or Green, just depends on where we take him. I also disagree with the write up on him. I wouldnt mind seeing him drafted in the 5th. I do like Green as well but if there is nice DB or DL on the board in the 3rd, I would rather take either of those, regardless if we take one ithose positions in the 2nd or not. I am all for the first two picks going on DL/DB which ever player is better.

That being said, if there is nothing on the board in the 3rd in terms of DL/DB...then I say take Green. With Green or Egnew there are issues. Green lacks size and strength, and he needs work on his blocking...all coachable things. Egnew needs polish and experience, and some work on blocking as well, his body is already that of an NFL TE. His issues are also coachable. Green has excellent speed though, and that is not coachable...so its a trade off imo. Just depends on what is availabe in round 3 when we pick.

As far as height, it does matter...Ryan is not the most accurate QB, ecpecially throwing downfield. I would much rather have a TE at 6'5 or so vs 6'2, it makes a big difference to the QB. We have a QB that has not shown he can go to the next level. Yes we had line problems, yes we had coaching problems. Beyond that though there were many throws that Ryan should have made, but didnt. He struggles with deep throws and sometimes with mid range throws as well. I hope he plays more consistant this year amongst a few others.

[g-dawg]

I agree w/ you on wanting the larger tight end - but little else.

I like "the idea" of LaDarius Green - just don't actually like the player himself.  He looks to me to be more of a straight wide receiver - who does not run great routes - than an actual tight end.

I don't want a Tight End in the 2nd or 3rd.   I would like to see those picks go to DT and LT if there is value on the board at those spots - which there may not be.

[VaderMan]

g-dawg, on 13 April 2012 - 11:05 AM, said:

I agree w/ you on wanting the larger tight end - but little else.

I like "the idea" of LaDarius Green - just don't actually like the player himself.  He looks to me to be more of a straight wide receiver - who does not run great routes - than an actual tight end.

I don't want a Tight End in the 2nd or 3rd.   I would like to see those picks go to DT and LT if there is value on the board at those spots - which there may not be.

Well I did say Green needs work, in the 3rd round you arent getting a complete player most times, so dont get so hung up on what he is not, focus on what he is and can contribute right now...because the "what he is not" again is all coachable. I also said that I dont want a TE in the 3rd if there is a viable DL/DB there. I dont agree with you about taking a LT in the 3rd, why would you do that? If we cant get a legit LT this year, then we cant. It has to wait. Why waste a pick reaching for a high skill position (LT) in the 3rd? If we take TE there, that player will play from week 1. Green lined up along side Gonzo in certain packages will cause problems...I would rather see that vs some LT from the 3rd round that will not see the field, we have Svitek as a back up plan already, which equates to your 3rd round LT idea. Actually Svitek rates higher imo.

[ChickenBiscuit]

g-dawg, on 13 April 2012 - 11:05 AM, said:

I agree w/ you on wanting the larger tight end - but little else.

I like "the idea" of LaDarius Green - just don't actually like the player himself.  He looks to me to be more of a straight wide receiver - who does not run great routes - than an actual tight end.

I don't want a Tight End in the 2nd or 3rd.   I would like to see those picks go to DT and LT if there is value on the board at those spots - which there may not be.

This is probably a situation where we just have to pick the best player available.

Dontari Poe might still be there, as his draft stock is falling due to doing absolutely nothing on the field.

[freebird310]

Green is going to be abused in the NFL IMO ........

[g-dawg]

VaderMan, on 13 April 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:

Well I did say Green needs work, in the 3rd round you arent getting a complete player most times, so dont get so hung up on what he is not, focus on what he is and can contribute right now...because the "what he is not" again is all coachable. I also said that I dont want a TE in the 3rd if there is a viable DL/DB there. I dont agree with you about taking a LT in the 3rd, why would you do that? If we cant get a legit LT this year, then we cant. It has to wait. Why waste a pick reaching for a high skill position (LT) in the 3rd? If we take TE there, that player will play from week 1. Green lined up along side Gonzo in certain packages will cause problems...I would rather see that vs some LT from the 3rd round that will not see the field, we have Svitek as a back up plan already, which equates to your 3rd round LT idea. Actually Svitek rates higher imo.

i agree that is very hard to project the pick until you are on the clock......to me Green is a 4th/5th rounder who could develop but is a total roll of the dice gamble for greatness pick.

these are the players that I kind of like in no paticular order in 2nd/3rd rounds - maybe half of them will be available - maybe none - who the heck knows?

2nd/3rd round picks:
Brandon Thompson, DT-Clemson - 2nd
Coby Fleener, TE-Stanford - 2nd
Jerel Worthy, DT-Michigan State - 2nd
Trumaine Johnson, CB/FS-Montana - 2nd/3rd
Brandon Brooks, OG-Miami OH - 2nd/3rd
Doug Martin, RB-Boise State - 2nd
Kelechi Osemele, OT/OG-Iowa State - 2nd
Devon Still, DT-Penn State- 2nd  (KOG will hate this - he may be right, but he looks good to me)
Amini Silatolu, OG-Midwestern State - 2nd
Bobbie Massey, RT/LT-Ole Miss - 2nd
Bruce Irvin, OLB/DE-West Virginia - 3rd
Josh Chapman, DT-Alabama - 3rd
Alameda Ta'amu, NT-Washington - 2nd
Kendall Reyes, DT/DE-Connecticut - 2nd

[Matt_The Iceman_Ryan]

g-dawg, on 13 April 2012 - 12:10 PM, said:

i agree that is very hard to project the pick until you are on the clock......to me Green is a 4th/5th rounder who could develop but is a total roll of the dice gamble for greatness pick.

these are the players that I kind of like in no paticular order in 2nd/3rd rounds - maybe half of them will be available - maybe none - who the heck knows?

2nd/3rd round picks:
Brandon Thompson, DT-Clemson - 2nd
Coby Fleener, TE-Stanford - 2nd
Jerel Worthy, DT-Michigan State - 2nd
Trumaine Johnson, CB/FS-Montana - 2nd/3rd
Brandon Brooks, OG-Miami OH - 2nd/3rd
Doug Martin, RB-Boise State - 2nd
Kelechi Osemele, OT/OG-Iowa State - 2nd
Devon Still, DT-Penn State- 2nd (KOG will hate this - he may be right, but he looks good to me)
Amini Silatolu, OG-Midwestern State - 2nd
Bobbie Massey, RT/LT-Ole Miss - 2nd
Bruce Irvin, OLB/DE-West Virginia - 3rd
Josh Chapman, DT-Alabama - 3rd
Alameda Ta'amu, NT-Washington - 2nd
Kendall Reyes, DT/DE-Connecticut - 2nd

Any of these at #55 will be fine with me....

[niels petersen]

Matt_The Iceman_Ryan, on 13 April 2012 - 12:27 PM, said:

Any of these at #55 will be fine with me....

Unfortunately, only Thompson, Johnson and Osemele are real plausible to be there at #55 IMO. Thompson might not even last that long.

[FalconJim]

g-dawg, on 13 April 2012 - 12:10 PM, said:

i agree that is very hard to project the pick until you are on the clock......to me Green is a 4th/5th rounder who could develop but is a total roll of the dice gamble for greatness pick.

these are the players that I kind of like in no paticular order in 2nd/3rd rounds - maybe half of them will be available - maybe none - who the heck knows?

2nd/3rd round picks:
Brandon Thompson, DT-Clemson - 2nd
Coby Fleener, TE-Stanford - 2nd
Jerel Worthy, DT-Michigan State - 2nd
Trumaine Johnson, CB/FS-Montana - 2nd/3rd
Brandon Brooks, OG-Miami OH - 2nd/3rd
Doug Martin, RB-Boise State - 2nd
Kelechi Osemele, OT/OG-Iowa State - 2nd
Devon Still, DT-Penn State- 2nd  (KOG will hate this - he may be right, but he looks good to me)
Amini Silatolu, OG-Midwestern State - 2nd
Bobbie Massey, RT/LT-Ole Miss - 2nd
Bruce Irvin, OLB/DE-West Virginia - 3rd
Josh Chapman, DT-Alabama - 3rd
Alameda Ta'amu, NT-Washington - 2nd
Kendall Reyes, DT/DE-Connecticut - 2nd

Don't know if Fleener makes it to the second, or 55th pick, but if he does, please PLEASE pick him, TD.  Then we could go O-line, D-line and Secondary the rest of the way, and I would be a happy camper!!!!!!!

[ChickenBiscuit]

FalconJim, on 13 April 2012 - 01:38 PM, said:

Don't know if Fleener makes it to the second, or 55th pick, but if he does, please PLEASE pick him, TD.  Then we could go O-line, D-line and Secondary the rest of the way, and I would be a happy camper!!!!!!!

Even if the Colts don't pick him, which they will, he still won't make it to the #55 pick. People are saying he might go in the late first.

[FalconJim]

ChickenBiscuit, on 13 April 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

Even if the Colts don't pick him, which they will, he still won't make it to the #55 pick. People are saying he might go in the late first.

Yeah, you could be right.....I know, the Colts have showed interest in Fleener, and they could use a TE of his caliber.  I don't know why, but I have a hunch that TD is going to trade up to the early 2nd, or late 1st, and grab a player of interest again.....not to say it would be the right thing to do necessarily, or that it would be Fleener they're interested in....but if it was, personally I wouldn't have a problem with that.....I think he's just that good!!!  May be the BPA at a position of need for us, too.
But hey, that's why we leave it up to the professionals, right?

[Robb4242]

g-dawg, on 13 April 2012 - 11:05 AM, said:

I agree w/ you on wanting the larger tight end - but little else.

I like "the idea" of LaDarius Green - just don't actually like the player himself.  He looks to me to be more of a straight wide receiver - who does not run great routes - than an actual tight end.

I don't want a Tight End in the 2nd or 3rd.   I would like to see those picks go to DT and LT if there is value on the board at those spots - which there may not be.

Completely agree with this.  Was high on Green early, but not so much anymore.  I've never been an Egnew fan so I hope we pass there as well.

[iDash]

I dont like to spend a pick on a TE when U can get a used Vet one
anyday of the week for cheap

[sharky]

Right now I would keep what we have.  Palmer is really not that bad behind TG.  Our need is else where for now.

[ChickenBiscuit]

What happened to Orson Charles? People here seemed really high on him for a while, and then the hype kinda died down.

[Torris]

I want this guy in the 3rd round.


Green would be more of a WR than a TE. Egnew has a better TE build to create matchup issues, and I think he would flourish under Tony for a year.

[Draftnut57]

g-dawg, on 13 April 2012 - 12:10 PM, said:

i agree that is very hard to project the pick until you are on the clock......to me Green is a 4th/5th rounder who could develop but is a total roll of the dice gamble for greatness pick.

these are the players that I kind of like in no paticular order in 2nd/3rd rounds - maybe half of them will be available - maybe none - who the heck knows?

2nd/3rd round picks:
Brandon Thompson, DT-Clemson - 2nd
Coby Fleener, TE-Stanford - 2nd
Jerel Worthy, DT-Michigan State - 2nd
Trumaine Johnson, CB/FS-Montana - 2nd/3rd
Brandon Brooks, OG-Miami OH - 2nd/3rd
Doug Martin, RB-Boise State - 2nd
Kelechi Osemele, OT/OG-Iowa State - 2nd
Devon Still, DT-Penn State- 2nd  (KOG will hate this - he may be right, but he looks good to me)
Amini Silatolu, OG-Midwestern State - 2nd
Bobbie Massey, RT/LT-Ole Miss - 2nd
Bruce Irvin, OLB/DE-West Virginia - 3rd
Josh Chapman, DT-Alabama - 3rd
Alameda Ta'amu, NT-Washington - 2nd
Kendall Reyes, DT/DE-Connecticut - 2nd

I'd say Worthy will be gone by 25th pick and Fleener by the 35th pick, may be off a pick or two. But that will be close. Both are  going to be very good players.

[Draftnut57]

Undefendable, on 13 April 2012 - 03:10 PM, said:

I want this guy in the 3rd round.


Green would be more of a WR than a TE. Egnew has a better TE build to create matchup issues, and I think he would flourish under Tony for a year.

Me too, I think I'm wanting this player as much as anybody for the pick.