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[g-dawg]

PFW Audibles:  What the Scouts are saying.......

• "(Missouri TE) Michael Egnew's quarterback is bad.  He can't get the ball downfield.  The tight end is not great by any means, but he's better than Martin Rucker.  He's not an elite athlete.  His body is really underdeveloped.  He can get in the seam, but I don't see him separating vertically.  He has good hands, but he's not an elite receiver.
  
• "(Clemson's) Dwayne Allen is a solid number 2 for us(2nd round).  I can't see him getting the first(round), but the way this league is, it wouldn't suprise me.  He's a really good receiver, but he's not a blocker.  His toughness is an issue... He is getting a lot of publicity as the best tight end in the country - but that is all it is."
  
• "Someone will take a chance on (Louisiana Lafayette's) LaDarius Green.  He's not very good."
  
• "I like (Stanford's) Coby Fleener.  I have not seen one better this year.  The way the tight end position is going - if it falls right, he could fall right into the Todd Heap category.  He is a second round pick, but the first is not out of reach."
  
• "(Georgia's) Orson Charles positions and sustains really nice blocks wheeling his feet around.  He plays with some violence and is very put together."

[flrybranch]

Egnew- Would love to get him in rnd 5. With some development may be really really good.

Allen- Solid TE who catches everything around him. Would be O.K. if Falcons take him at 55

Green- Agree "He's not very good."

Fleener- Pipe Dream, best TE this year

​ Charles- Can't make up my mind, see his potential to be really good, remember he busted UFA's crystal trophy on a visit to gainesville (worth drafting just for that) then remember he is slow and got arrested......

[Draftnut57]

g-dawg, on 13 April 2012 - 09:32 AM, said:

PFW Audibles:  What the Scouts are saying.......

• "(Missouri TE) Michael Egnew's quarterback is bad.  He can't get the ball downfield.  The tight end is not great by any means, but he's better than Martin Rucker.  He's not an elite athlete.  His body is really underdeveloped.  He can get in the seam, but I don't see him separating vertically.  He has good hands, but he's not an elite receiver.
  
• "(Clemson's) Dwayne Allen is a solid number 2 for us(2nd round).  I can't see him getting the first(round), but the way this league is, it wouldn't suprise me.  He's a really good receiver, but he's not a blocker.  His toughness is an issue... He is getting a lot of publicity as the best tight end in the country - but that is all it is."
  
• "Someone will take a chance on (Louisiana Lafayette's) LaDarius Green.  He's not very good."
  
• "I like (Stanford's) Coby Fleener.  I have not seen one better this year.  The way the tight end position is going - if it falls right, he could fall right into the Todd Heap category.  He is a second round pick, but the first is not out of reach."
  
• "(Georgia's) Orson Charles positions and sustains really nice blocks wheeling his feet around.  He plays with some violence and is very put together."

I've always like PFW, but this article is way off. Way! The only thing I agree with on the TEs in about Green. What they said about Egnew is a joke. Hear me out, He is the TE in a year or two everyone will be saying I can't believe he was taken in the 3rd round. Yeap , that is where he will go unless there is Off field issues I don't know about.

[Knight of God]

I have always thought most highly of Orson Charles coming here.

...Dawg Nation enemy here.

[Master Exploder]

I think all 5 of them are quality TE's.

Michael Egnew and Ladarius Green are definitely going to have to assume a Jermichael Finley type of role in the NFL, but Jermichael Finley is a very effective weapon.

Coby Fleener is by far the best in this class. I'd probably take Orson Charles over Dwayne Allen though.

[g-dawg]

Orson Charles is 6'2"........just askin' - how many good tight ends are there in NFL that are that short?  anybody know?

[Master Exploder]

g-dawg, on 13 April 2012 - 10:08 AM, said:

Orson Charles is 6'2"........just askin' - how many good tight ends are there in NFL that are that short?  anybody know?

Vernon Davis is 6'3, Kellen Davis is 6'2, Aaron Hernandez is 6'2.. That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are quite a few more.

[Knight of God]

g-dawg, on 13 April 2012 - 10:08 AM, said:

Orson Charles is 6'2"........just askin' - how many good tight ends are there in NFL that are that short?  anybody know?

Not sure, but I have never understood why it would matter. Lower center of gravity with that weight and he's knocking guys around. PLUS, his athleticism makes him a nightmare. I ask myself, "Would I want him on a rival team?" the answer is, "No."

[dirtybirdz10984]

dont understand what the big deal is if a player is short. doesnt mean they play short. ex. Grimes, Vernon Davis, Drew Brees, Darren Sproles.
height is overrated IMO

[freebird310]

The more I see of Fleener, the more he reminds me of a poor mans Gronkowski .....since he will be long gone at #55, I see no one in this group worthy of the pick ......if Charles is there at  3, I could maybe see that, ....Green is a guy who will be out of the NFL in a couple years IMO ........

Edited by freebird310, 13 April 2012 - 10:18 AM.

[g-dawg]

Knight of God, on 13 April 2012 - 10:14 AM, said:

Not sure, but I have never understood why it would matter. Lower center of gravity with that weight and he's knocking guys around. PLUS, his athleticism makes him a nightmare. I ask myself, "Would I want him on a rival team?" the answer is, "No."

i dunno - i just like a BIG target for the QB and, at 6'2" - Charles is moreso the same size as a Big WR -  even shorter than Julio - its not the most important thing in the world.

I think Charles is very talented - just wish he was a little taller.   You look at Gronk and Graham being 6'6" and they are such a size mismatch plus longer arms - it just makes certain throws easier for the QB.

[freebird310]

g-dawg, on 13 April 2012 - 10:18 AM, said:

i dunno - i just like a BIG target for the QB and, at 6'2" - Charles is moreso the same size as a Big WR -  even shorter than Julio - its not the most important thing in the world.

I think Charles is very talented - just wish he was a little taller.   You look at Gronk and Graham being 6'6" and they are such a size mismatch plus longer arms - it just makes certain throws easier for the QB.

You prolly right Dawg, Ryan is so used to high pointing Gonzo, he prolly more comfortable with that big basketball player type TE like Fleener ........

[Master Exploder]

g-dawg, on 13 April 2012 - 10:18 AM, said:

i dunno - i just like a BIG target for the QB and, at 6'2" - Charles is moreso the same size as a Big WR -  even shorter than Julio - its not the most important thing in the world.

I think Charles is very talented - just wish he was a little taller.   You look at Gronk and Graham being 6'6" and they are such a size mismatch plus longer arms - it just makes certain throws easier for the QB.

I agree with you. Size is extremely important for the receiver position. I mean it doesn't necessarily hurt a player for having a lack of height, but it can certainly help a player. If Calvin Johnson and Randy Moss were both 4 inches shorter, you're not going to see the same production.

However, if a player is good he can over come that. 6'2 is still a big target for receivers. The TE position has evolved from an extra blocker to the hybrid to the pure receiver. So essentially these guys are just extra receivers in a lot of the new "passing offenses". You don't need 6'5 guys to hold off the DE's or blitzing LB's anymore.

[g-dawg]

Master Exploder, on 13 April 2012 - 10:23 AM, said:

I agree with you. Size is extremely important for the receiver position. I mean it doesn't necessarily hurt a player for having a lack of height, but it can certainly help a player. If Calvin Johnson and Randy Moss were both 4 inches shorter, you're not going to see the same production.

However, if a player is good he can over come that. 6'2 is still a big target for receivers. The TE position has evolved from an extra blocker to the hybrid to the pure receiver. So essentially these guys are just extra receivers in a lot of the new "passing offenses". You don't need 6'5 guys to hold off the DE's or blitzing LB's anymore.

the problem is......none of us really know too much at this point about the Dirk Koetter offense.   It may be that Koetter likes a little smaller/faster Tight Ends.

I think Matt Ryan really likes the BIG Tight End.  I know he and Gonzalez have thrived with each other and Tony always encourages Matt to "throw it up high" and I will go get it.   He will lose that with a shorter Tight End.

[vafalconfan]

I keep seeing the TE projections for us by draft sites, but we have so many "needs" ahead of that position. O-line, D line, DBs.. We have Tony G for 7M in 2012. I would love to have a talented developmental TE to come in and learn from Tony, but I just don't see enough available draft picks unless we take someone in the 7th.

[g-dawg]

vafalconfan, on 13 April 2012 - 10:34 AM, said:

I keep seeing the TE projections for us by draft sites, but we have so many "needs" ahead of that position. O-line, D line, DBs.. We have Tony G for 7M in 2012. I would love to have a talented developmental TE to come in and learn from Tony, but I just don't see enough available draft picks unless we take someone in the 7th.

i agree.....I have been advocating "wait until next year" for the Tight End position - Falcons need to hit the Offensive And Defensive Lines early in this draft.   Tight End is not a pressing need - i know many on this board want to draft the Tight End this year so the new protege' could learn at the foot of the master (Tony Gonzalez) before Gonzo retires - but I think that is overdone a bit - it would be nice but not so much necessary.

[metatron360]

I think TE is a pressing need. Mainly because our future TE needs to work under TG for atleast a year. If we can get a TG prototype that can learn then we will be set at TE for a very long time. If we wait till next year TG is gone and we have to whip a guy into shape alone. I hope we don't blow this opportunity.

[Knight of God]

g-dawg, on 13 April 2012 - 10:18 AM, said:

i dunno - i just like a BIG target for the QB and, at 6'2" - Charles is moreso the same size as a Big WR -  even shorter than Julio - its not the most important thing in the world.

I think Charles is very talented - just wish he was a little taller.   You look at Gronk and Graham being 6'6" and they are such a size mismatch plus longer arms - it just makes certain throws easier for the QB.

Brother, to have a good football eye you have to remember the size requirements. 6'2" is a shorter TE, but not too short. That one inch means little. Especially when the guy has a wing span that puts some NBA guys to shame.

[g-dawg]

Knight of God, on 13 April 2012 - 10:46 AM, said:

Brother, to have a good football eye you have to remember the size requirements. 6'2" is a shorter TE, but not too short. That one inch means little. Especially when the guy has a wing span that puts some NBA guys to shame.

yeah, but when you fall in love w/ players like Graham and Gronk (6'6" - the growing TE is the new trend in NFL) - and I have (who wouldn't) and then you look at a 6'2" guy - then you are talking a HUGE difference - 4 inches (that's what she said ).

Look, I obviously am familiar with Orson Charles being a DAWG fan and alumnus,  he is a dynamic player but has never been a consistent weapon - was it his fault or UGA's offense?  I dunno......Orson is talented - just not sure that he is going to be a dominator at next level.

I really would like to get a guy who is LARGE for Matt Ryan - sometimes Matt struggles w/ accuracy and this is where Tony Gonzalez has really helped.......

[Knight of God]

g-dawg, on 13 April 2012 - 10:57 AM, said:

yeah, but when you fall in love w/ players like Graham and Gronk (6'6" - the growing TE is the new trend in NFL) - and I have (who wouldn't) and then you look at a 6'2" guy - then you are talking a HUGE difference - 4 inches (that's what she said ).

Look, I obviously am familiar with Orson Charles being a DAWG fan and alumnus,  he is a dynamic player but has never been a consistent weapon - was it his fault or UGA's offense?  I dunno......Orson is talented - just not sure that he is going to be a dominator at next level.

I really would like to get a guy who is LARGE for Matt Ryan - sometimes Matt struggles w/ accuracy and this is where Tony Gonzalez has really helped.......

Okay. I just don't really see it one way or another with TE.