I'll wait until after the draft and into training camp before making my real predictions. But as of right now if I had to say....
Saints: 12-4 - For the record, I picked 13-3, 12-4, and 13-3, respectively, the last 3 seasons.
Atlanta: 9-7 - Talent drop off from the last few years, but the coordinators are better. NFC is loaded and they have a rough schedule though.
Carolina: 8-8 - Cam Newton will single-handedly win them games they should lose. He'll also lose them games they should win.
Tampa: 7-9 - Still too many young and immature players to make a serious run IMO, especially on another tough schedule.
falconsd56, on 12 April 2012 - 02:32 PM, said:
A start wr and starting corner has lost nothing?
All we heard about nicks is how he was top 1 or 2 players at his position and all of a sudden he leaves and its not that big of a loss???
Grubbs is a good player but if Nicks is really a good as claim he is that is a BIG loss.
They added Bunkley who averages 1 sack a year.
They added Hawthorn who is a MLB who they expect to play outside.......... that is almost NEVER a good idea.
They added Lofton with the same expectation/.............which take it form a falcon fan Lofton outside in space in pass coverage is a REALLY bad idea.
So where have they improved the depth at wr? or Corner? Is Grubbs an improvement at G?
The saints improve their run defense no doubt but did they improve their pass defense?
So I ask again why is 5-11 so out of the question given EVERYTHING that the saints are going to have to deal with.
As we get closer to the season starting, if you still truly believe the Saints will finish 5-11 rather than it being wishful thinking, which is what it really is, then I'll bet you $1,000 that the Saints will win at least 5 home
games this season.
Atlanta, Tampa, Carolina, Philly, Washington, San Diego, Kansas City, San Fransisco. Those are the home games. You seem so adamant that the Saints will lose twice as many games as they will win. They're far more talented than most of the teams they'll lineup against. The only way they go 5-11 is if they get a rash of injuries, including a season ender to Drew no later than the first week or two of the season.
And comparing this team to the 2008 or 2007 roster is ridiculous. Look at the rosters. The talent level isn't even close to the same. Also, the Saints were one of the youngest teams in the league back then. They're a veteran team now. They also have a real defensive coordinator. Gary Gibbs was a position coach pretending to be a coordinator.
As for your other arguments. Tracy Porter only started a few games for the Saints last year, regardless of what it officially says on his stat-sheet. He was often listed as the "starter", but Patrick Robinson actually started the majority of games over him. Porter is a solid corner, but he didn't produce last year at all. He's also been injured too often in his career. There's a reason he only got a 1 year deal even though corners are not a dime a dozen in this league.
IMO, Robert Meachem is better than most people think, but calling him a starter on this team is a bit of a stretch considering the constant rotation they have. He was still behind Graham, Colston, Moore, Sproles, and Pierre Thomas as a receiving option. The Saints lost their #6 target, who was mainly just a vertical threat. Loss... sure, but replaceable based on the production he had.
Nicks is a big loss. But his replacement is a very respectable player. The Saints will still have arguably the best interior line in the league, especially considering that Drew Brees's pocket presence will make them look better than they probably are.
And did the Falcons improve their pass defense? They brought in a guy with two glass knees to replace a solid MLB. They also didn't bring in anyone to help their pass rush. At least the Saints drafted some players last year that have shown promise. I'm sure most Falcons fans didn't think much of Jimmy Graham before last season started. I certainly don't expect Martez Wilson, Cam Jordan, Greg Romeus, or Junior Galette to make that leap.... but some improvement should be expected. Sean Weatherspoon had a terrible rookie season and then made a leap to near elite status last year. Not all rookies produce right away, especially on veteran teams.
Hawthorne also played OLB most of his career with Seattle. He moved to MLB last year after Lofa tore up both knees. Yet you're trying to make it sound like he's an old-school slow thumper at MLB that is trying to make the move to outside.
Edited by bradael, 14 April 2012 - 12:40 PM.