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[Big Rob 64]

I asked this in another thread. I'll reiterate the question here: what does Koetter have on his resume to justify his hire other than one good season at Jacksonville--- a season that was 5 years ago? He has nothing else to hang his hat on. He had one good season. What record of success OTHER THAN ONE GOOD (not great--- just pretty good) SEASON 5 YEARS AGO does Dirk Koetter have to justify being given the reins to our playoff hope-mobile?

He had a very mediocre run at Arizona State.

He had some decent seasons at Boise State, but nothing like the success they have had since he left.

That's it: nothing else, other than the happy accident of that one good season at Jacksonville being the one season he was with Smitty.

A crony hire: not a best coach available hire. A lot of people justify his #32 offense by saying he didn't have talent? OK. But he does not have a lengthy record of hot offenses before that to give a logical hope that that was an aberration. The fact that he did very little with very little does not mean that he will do a lot with a lot.

Lastly, his system is the wrong system to take full advantage of Ryan's (and the rest of the offense's) strengths, and to mask his (and their) limitations. A pure WCO would much better suit Matt Ryan's strengths and weaknesses. A pure WCO would also have helped out the offensive line. A pure WCO would also benefit Jaquizz Rodgers, who is a very good receiver and a good runner.

Koetter had one good season. One. And that one good season was 5 years ago. Our playoff hopes rest on that one good season being Koetter's norm. TD and Smitty should be ashamed. If this hire does, indeed, result in failure, both TD and Smitty will deserve to be fired.

Edited by Big Rob 64, 10 April 2012 - 06:48 AM.

[Diesel_Bird]

Just pray he can dial up more than MM I guess....

[Durrtay]

Extreme optimism he gets from you.

[Big Rob 64]

Diesel_Bird, on 10 April 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:

Just pray he can dial up more than MM I guess....

"Not Mike Mularkey" is not enough to justify this hire. Its close--- but not quite enough.

[delaigle]

Maybe he got it because he was the only one to say yes
Maybe he got it because he was the only one available
Maybe he got it because he begged and pleaded
Maybe he got it because he was the better of 2 evils.


Just rhetorical
How do you "earn" a job --with a different company  --usually you are "given" the job.
regardless of what you have accomplished in the past.

Winning 6 SB with team X does not "earn" you a job with team Y . You can't just walk in their door and say I've "earned" the job move over.

Edited by delaigle, 10 April 2012 - 07:31 AM.

[VaderMan]

I am forced to agree with you here. No, his resume doesnt warrant the hiring. They were much better and more proven options available. This is clearly Smitty's boy, all we can do is hope for the best. I certainly support Koetter....I dont have a choice.

Smitty is in a tough spot...he isnt a great HC but he can win. To do that he needs strong OC/DC, well he has the DC....OC is unproven. At the same time, I can see why Smitty wouldnt want to bring in a young, bright, innovative coach...in other words...his possible replacement. Many managers intentionally dont hire the most skilled person, for 1 reason...job security. Why would Smitty be any different?

[vabchbirdlover]

He is an ex Jag and has  previous ties with Smitty? I don't know!

[Stryka]

Dirk was able to run the ball effectively without any semblance of a passing game. Rookie qb and no name wrs,  1st year OTs. He still liked to throw the ball downfield and has a fondness for the screen game. That's why I liked the hire.

[Duff_Man]

How bored are you?

[joe_fishback]

voo doo

[Big Rob 64]

Duff_Man, on 10 April 2012 - 07:36 AM, said:

How bored are you?

No answer, eh?

[iEmbrace_life]

I am so ready for Football season

[Slick Skillet]

You asked some good questions.  I like the Mike Nolan hire much better.  People talked about how Mike Smith influenced how Van Gorder called the defense.  I hope he just gets out of the way and lets Nolan do his job.  Living in south Georgia, I catch Jacksonville games on CBS all the time.  Trust me, the Jaguars offense was nothing special. Kinda like watching paint dry.  And this was even before Gabbert.   I ever we needed to implement the WCO, its now.  Average arm QB, Big receivers, TE who can get downfield.

Edited by Slick Skillet, 10 April 2012 - 07:58 AM.

[Magic Man]

Since none of us were in the meeting rooms with TD, MS and Ryan when DK got hired, I guess this whole thread is rhetorical.  These three guys who have been key to ushering in a new era of Falcons football, where we are looking down at the basement of the NFL, instead of up from it are on board with this guy.  His track record doesn't wow anyone, but Belichick's didn't either when NE picked him up.  Not saying DK is Belichick or any semblance thereof, but I know how you trolls are, and will take that statement as I am comparing the two.

[Slick Skillet]

Magic Man, on 10 April 2012 - 08:08 AM, said:

Since none of us were in the meeting rooms with TD, MS and Ryan when DK got hired, I guess this whole thread is rhetorical.  These three guys who have been key to ushering in a new era of Falcons football, where we are looking down at the basement of the NFL, instead of up from it are on board with this guy.  His track record doesn't wow anyone, but Belichick's didn't either when NE picked him up.  Not saying DK is Belichick or any semblance thereof, but I know how you trolls are, and will take that statement as I am comparing the two.

Belichick was a coordinator under Bill Parcells on two super bowl teams.  Thats a pretty good track record.  Just pointing that out.

Edited by Slick Skillet, 10 April 2012 - 08:17 AM.

[Big Rob 64]

Magic Man, on 10 April 2012 - 08:08 AM, said:

Since none of us were in the meeting rooms with TD, MS and Ryan when DK got hired, I guess this whole thread is rhetorical.  These three guys who have been key to ushering in a new era of Falcons football, where we are looking down at the basement of the NFL, instead of up from it are on board with this guy.  His track record doesn't wow anyone, but Belichick's didn't either when NE picked him up.  Not saying DK is Belichick or any semblance thereof, but I know how you trolls are, and will take that statement as I am comparing the two.

Belichik was the coordinator of the most dominating defense of his era, even moreso than Ryan's Bears defense. All this smoke&mirror nonsensical crap is just an obscurement for a simple "I don't know", it seems.

[Bullitt]

I know that Koetter spent 9 years coaching with Andy Reid, who called him an offensive genius  He came very close to getting the HC job at Denver last year.  As far as whether he is going to work out or not or how he is going to run our offense, can't tell you.

[Slick Skillet]

Big Rob 64, on 10 April 2012 - 08:19 AM, said:

Belichik was the coordinator of the most dominating defense of his era, even moreso than Ryan's Bears defense. All this smoke&mirror nonsensical crap is just an obscurement for a simple "I don't know", it seems.

Beat you to it.  Just too easy, lol!!

[Big Rob 64]

Bullitt, on 10 April 2012 - 08:20 AM, said:

I know that Koetter spent 9 years coaching with Andy Reid, who called him an offensive genius  He came very close to getting the HC job at Denver last year.  As far as whether he is going to work out or not or how he is going to run our offense, can't tell you.

Link to any of this? Where and when did Koetter coach with Reid? Looking at their resumes, they were on the same staff at U of San Francisco for the 1985 season. Reid went on to be an NFL assistant, and a head coach for over a decade. Koetter had--- one better than average year with Jacksonville.

[Swiftee]

Koetter offense is not going to look much different then Mularkey outside some added screen passes ans middle go routes . The 4 vertical offense is very similar to Mularkey pro style offense
. Mularkey changed some of his scheme up when we added Tony G to fit the skill set of a aging TE that doesnt stretch defenses vertically and a QB that is down right awful throwing the deep ball . Mularkey biggest problem were his route designs . You will see the same problem with Koetter

The scheme change wont matter at all cause it as comes down to skill set of a avg QB
Take a look at Aaron Rodgers drop back and how smooth it is compared to Ryan how stiff and uptight it is . Watch Ryan high leg kick and weight distrubution on his leg . Ryan rocks back like he is in a rocking chair and then has a high kick like he is delevering a pitch
There are soo many things I see wrong with Ryan mechanics to his skill set that I know a change of scheme is not going to matter .



Kotter couldnt even put his rookie QB in position to succed or show any signs of development
Least Mularkey will get something out of Gabbert