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vabchbirdlover, on 09 April 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

We are getting proficient at that, now aren't we? You really cant say that any one of the past four yrs tops the greatest year in Falcon history. IMO,the greatest loss in Falcon history was/were this past the past two playoff games, take ur pick to which was more embarassing..  We at least scored offensive pts against the Broncos. Tell me you aren't serious?

As you say of course our greatest season of 98 trumps any one of the last four seasons.  That is not the question I was answering.   This was:

Twifws, on 09 April 2012 - 08:46 AM, said:

I will take 98' Falcons season over past 4 seasons .. you agree ?

Do I think the last four years combined trump that season?  I say yes, simply because for once our team is at least consistent at winning games and gaining respect of the fans and the rest of the league.   Our team has won some exciting games in the last four years.

I can see our team doing things right, though I do think we can do better.  Hiring new Coords might help, lets hope.  If TD can improve his player acquisitions and Smitty can continue getting good results with the talent he gets, we can do as well or better than 98, hopefully this year.

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egoprime II, on 09 April 2012 - 11:26 AM, said:

No, because losing the Super Bowl like we did, plus the embarassment of Eugene Robinson, totally ruined the season for me.  We might as well have lost in the first game of the playoffs, like we tend to do now.

Sure the Vikings game was great, but to have the greatest win in Falcons history followed by the worst loss in Falcons' history, just did not sit well with me at all.

I can't believe I am hearing this...the sheer number of people who treat a few winning seasons as a momentous achievement.   Stop wearing it like a badge of honor when it is a consolation prize.

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egoprime II, on 09 April 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

As you say of course our greatest season of 98 trumps any one of the last four seasons.  That is not the question I was answering.   This was:

Twifws, on 09 April 2012 - 08:46 AM, said:

I will take 98' Falcons season over past 4 seasons .. you agree ?

Do I think the last four years combined trump that season?  I say yes, simply because for once our team is at least consistent at winning games and gaining respect of the fans and the rest of the league.   Our team has won some exciting games in the last four years.

I can see our team doing things right, though I do think we can do better.  Hiring new Coords might help, lets hope.  If TD can improve his player acquisitions and Smitty can continue getting good results with the talent he gets, we can do as well or better than 98, hopefully this year.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Winning years are nice, lawd knows we haven't been blessed with that many, and yes the past 4 yrs have been wonderful (regular season wise), but the 1998 Falcons won more post season games(2) than we have in the past 4yrs. Hopefully we can buck the current trend this year with respect to playoff wins.

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muskokas finest, on 09 April 2012 - 12:06 PM, said:

I can't believe I am hearing this...the sheer number of people who treat a few winning seasons as a momentous achievement.   Stop wearing it like a badge of honor when it is a consolation prize.

Not wearing anything like a badge of honor, I recognize the last four years for what they are, not what I want them to be.  I see our Super Bowl LOSING season the same way.  

What I am saying is, if we get to a Super Bowl, I want to win.  If we can't win I would rather not even be there.   That's not setting for a consolation prize.

Edited by egoprime II, 09 April 2012 - 12:32 PM.

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egoprime II, on 09 April 2012 - 12:30 PM, said:

Not wearing anything like a badge of honor, I recognize the last four years for what they are, not what I want them to be.  I see our Super Bowl season the same way.  

What I am saying is, if we get to a Super Bowl, I want to win.  If we can't win I would rather not even be there.   That's not setting for a consolation prize.

Super Bowl win = 1st prize
Conference championship = 2nd prize
Divisional winner = 3rd prize
Wildcard winner = honorable mention
Wildcard loser = door prize
4 straight winning seasons = extra $1 on your allowance

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vabchbirdlover, on 09 April 2012 - 12:08 PM, said:

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Winning years are nice, lawd knows we haven't been blessed with that many, and yes the past 4 yrs have been wonderful (regular season wise), but the 1998 Falcons won more post season games(2) than we have in the past 4yrs. Hopefully we can buck the current trend this year with respect to playoff wins.

Its a matter of preference I guess.  Being a Falcons follower since 1977, I want to see us win the Big Game, not go in there and stink up the joint like we did.  

That is not my idea of an historic season, it falls more into the category of Major Dissapointment.

Some of us are getting older, time is not on our side.  It would be nice to have a season all of us could agree was a great one, a season where we go on to win a Super Bowl, hopefully against a good team and in a convincing fashion.    Until that happens I won't be happy with anything less.

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egoprime II, on 09 April 2012 - 12:36 PM, said:

Its a matter of preference I guess.  Being a Falcons follower since 1977, I want to see us win the Big Game, not go in there and stink up the joint like we did.  

That is not my idea of an historic season, it falls more into the category of Major Dissapointment.

Some of us are getting older, time is not on our side.  It would be nice to have a season all of us could agree was a great one, a season where we go on to win a Super Bowl, hopefully against a good team and in a convincing fashion. Until that happens I won't be happy with anything less.

We stunk it up far worse in our last two playoff games than in the Super bowl. But I hear ya, older that u bud, fan since 66, maybe this is the year?

Edited by vabchbirdlover, 09 April 2012 - 12:41 PM.

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muskokas finest, on 09 April 2012 - 12:34 PM, said:

Super Bowl win = 1st prize
Conference championship = 2nd prize
Divisional winner = 3rd prize
Wildcard winner = honorable mention
Wildcard loser = door prize
4 straight winning seasons = extra $1 on your allowance

Cute.  To me it goes like this:

Super Bowl win - only win that truly matters!

Everyone else.

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vabchbirdlover, on 09 April 2012 - 12:39 PM, said:

I hear ya, older that u bud, fan since 66, maybe this is the year?

Fella, as much as I gripe about what the TD does and doesn't do, it would give me the greatest pleasure to come in here and admit that TD is a personnel genius who knows exactly what he is doing and I was wrong for ever doubting him.

It wouldn't necessarily take a Super Bowl win for this to happen, but that would do.  

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egoprime II, on 09 April 2012 - 12:40 PM, said:

Cute.  To me it goes like this:

Super Bowl win - only win that truly matters!

Everyone else.

You have to climb the mountain.  There is no helicopter to drop you off at the top.

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egoprime II, on 09 April 2012 - 12:40 PM, said:

Cute.  To me it goes like this:

Super Bowl win - only win that truly matters!

Everyone else.

so then how do you value last 4 seasons over 98' season

they were closer to ultimate goal

also by your logic our  last 4 seasons equal what Cle Browns or Redskins by that matter

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Twifws, on 09 April 2012 - 01:06 PM, said:

so then how do you value last 4 seasons over 98' season

they were closer to ultimate goal

also by your logic our  last 4 seasons equal what Cle Browns or Redskins by that matter

Because our last four seasons were what they were. Enjoyable to a point, but then no one even predicted a Super Bowl for us until this last season, even then we were not a consensus choice.

But a Super Bowl loss, that resonates.  Its losing a once in a while opportunity that may not come along for a long time, if ever.   I would much rather not have that season if it means losing the Super Bowl game itself.

At least with Cleveland and Washington, you know what the season is going to be early on.  If you want to watch your team develop players, then fine you know what you are in for.  If you would rather mow the grass than watch your team lose then you can do that too.  But getting to a Super Bowl then losing?  No thanks.

Thats my opinion anyway.

Edited by egoprime II, 09 April 2012 - 01:16 PM.

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muskokas finest, on 09 April 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

Accomplishment is subjective.  Lets try peer comparison.  New Orleans, who came into existence at the same time as us, has their Super Bowl.  Tampa Bay, who arrived 10 years later, has a Super Bowl.  Carolina, almost 30 years younger as a franchise, has a NFC title, like us.  4 years of winning was a baby step, like consecutive years was.  It's not a trophy you hang onto the wall, but it is being used as an excuse for not getting that trophy.  Let's not settle for baby steps.

I'm not against you on that. I agree winning seasons are not the goal, Superbowls are. I'm just choosing to believe and support along the way; where some are chosing to be negative the along the way. i just don't believe in diminishing the accomplishment obtained while trying to obtain the ultimate goal.  I don't see how you can be against a process, or person in this case, the whole way and then join in when the goal is reached....but I'm sure people will.

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Twifws, on 09 April 2012 - 08:46 AM, said:

I will take 98' Falcons season over past 4 seasons .. you agree ?

Fair question.  But why do i have to choose?  Why could I not support both?

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AEFalcon, on 09 April 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

Fair question.  But why do i have to choose?  Why could I not support both?

You can support whatever your heart desires . I will tell you the 98' team will alwaya have a place in my heart and how special that season was . The NFC champ game was probably the highest i ever felt as a fan especially going through rough patches as a fan . The 98 season was magical . These last 4 seasons have been filled with greater expectaions and bigger let downs .
To me if there is a gurantee pot of gold ( super bowl win) out of these string of regular season success I can possibly look back and say otherwise but the 98 team and the run we had will always be my favorite season out of 25+ years watching

These last 4 seasons have been forgetable and that even include Ryan rookie season in 08' cause we have not built off that success

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Twifws, on 09 April 2012 - 04:34 PM, said:

You can support whatever your heart desires . I will tell you the 98' team will alwaya have a place in my heart and how special that season was . The NFC champ game was probably the highest i ever felt as a fan especially going through rough patches as a fan . The 98 season was magical . These last 4 seasons have been filled with greater expectaions and bigger let downs .
To me if there is a gurantee pot of gold ( super bowl win) out of these string of regular season success I can possibly look back and say otherwise but the 98 team and the run we had will always be my favorite season out of 25+ years watching

These last 4 seasons have been forgetable and that even include Ryan rookie season in 08' cause we have not built off that success

Fair enough. Not diminishing the 98 Falcon's success.  The 1998 and present team have something in common....they are Falcon's teams. The 1998 team is not the only team I embrace.  I can remember the excitement around the young Falcons team in the early 1980's.  Sadly, injuries and the 49ers limited their success but I loved those teams.  However, I do not have to give up excitement for this team because I loved the 1980s team or 1998 team .  I do not feel the need to negate what has been done here recently.  I for one am excited about the future of this organization and direction it is headed.

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AEFalcon, on 09 April 2012 - 04:24 PM, said:

I'm not against you on that. I agree winning seasons are not the goal, Superbowls are. I'm just choosing to believe and support along the way; where some are chosing to be negative the along the way. i just don't believe in diminishing the accomplishment obtained while trying to obtain the ultimate goal.  I don't see how you can be against a process, or person in this case, the whole way and then join in when the goal is reached....but I'm sure people will.

You ever been to a game in Philly?  They boo the anthem singer, but try to take their seats away and they'll skin you alive.

Supporting the team as a whole and supporting each roster decision can easily be mutually exclusive.

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muskokas finest, on 09 April 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

You ever been to a game in Philly?  They boo the anthem singer, but try to take their seats away and they'll skin you alive.

Supporting the team as a whole and supporting each roster decision can easily be mutually exclusive.

Would never want to be like a Philly fan for their childish/rude behavior.  To me that is teh easy way out.   Do you honestly respect that behavior.  I've attended St Louis Cardnals game, Chicago Cubs game and a Boston Red Sox game.  Very different fans from the Phillies fans; both knowledgable but the others seem more supportive. i enjoy that environment better.

Do you believe the Falcons will make/win NFC Championship game, make/win SB with the present administration?

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AEFalcon, on 09 April 2012 - 05:14 PM, said:

Would never want to be like a Philly fan for their childish/rude behavior.  To me that is teh easy way out.   Do you honestly respect that behavior.  I've attended St Louis Cardnals game, Chicago Cubs game and a Boston Red Sox game.  Very different fans from the Phillies fans; both knowledgable but the others seem more supportive. i enjoy that environment better.

Do you believe the Falcons will make/win NFC Championship game, make/win SB with the present administration?

I don't respect the Philly antics, but I also don't hold fans to much in the way of behavioral standards.  I think a fan can do or say whatever they want, so long as they don't ruin the experience for another fan.

I think we have a chance at the NFC title game and Super Bowl with the current talent, but that assumes there is a big tick upwards in Matt Ryan's play.   That's an assumption that I am not convinced of, but will admit might exist.