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#-19 atljbo

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:09 PM

http://sports.yahoo....riday-tip-sheet

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LOFTON COULD RETURN TO FALCONS

There is still no guarantee that middle linebacker Curtis Lofton will return to the Atlanta Falcons, but team officials feel better about the possibilities, given what has transpired lately in unrestricted free agency.

For openers, the market for 4-3 middle linebackers hasn't developed, as accentuated by the five-year, $25.5 million contract with which Stephen Tulloch returned to the Detroit Lions this week. Tulloch was regarded in the unrestricted pool as at least the equal of Lofton, maybe better in the eyes of some scouts, and generated only modest interest outside of the Detroit organization.

Like Lofton, he was eyeing the misguided five-year, $42.5 million deal that Cleveland reportedly awarded D'Qwell Jackson to return, and fell far short of that target. Lofton has drawn interest from division rivals Tampa Bay and New Orleans. But a Bucs official told The Sports Xchange that reports in Atlanta that Lofton holds an offer from the Bucs are only "technically true," and that the ardor for the four-year veteran has cooled a bit in the building.

The Saints, who visited with Lofton, could pursue him, especially if incumbent Jonathan Vilma is suspended by the league for his role in the Bountygate scandal. But New Orleans is up against the cap following the addition of defensive tackle Brodrick Bunkley, and would have a difficult time finding space to pigeonhole Lofton as well.

Although his representatives have disagreed, we've taken the stance that Lofton is a two-down run-stuffer who doesn't belong on the field on third down, even though the Falcons use him in nickel packages, and that his value is blunted because of that. Teams from around the league seem to agree, haven't exactly opened up the vault yet for Lofton, and that provides Falcons coaches and team officials renewed hope he could be back.

ABRAHAM'S CONTRACT FAR SHORT OF HIS TARGET

The other positive for the Falcons is that defensive end John Abraham, the club's lone outside sack threat and a player club officials seemed to regard as an even bigger priority than Lofton, found no market in his publicly announced price range and ended up signing a three-year deal that was very palatable to the team.

The 33-year-old Abraham announced that he was seeking a contract worth $12 million per year as an unrestricted free agent. He tentatively set up visits with Tennessee and Denver, then quickly discovered that neither the Titans nor Broncos would be in his financial ball park.

The result: He hustled back to the Falcons on a three-year contract that was purported to be worth $21 million. Alas, typical of the agency that represents Abraham - and which has long made a habit of inflating the contract numbers - the deal is far less.

We don't have all the details, so perhaps, with all of the escalators, the contract can max out of $7 million per year. Even if it does, that's far short of the $12 million annually Abraham was seeking. The "base" deal, minus escalators, though, is worth only about $5.6 million per year. The signing bonus is a modest $2.25 million and another $2.156 million per year comes in the form of two roster bonuses, one of which is tied to appearances by the oft-injured Abraham


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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:13 PM

TD is playing it smart.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:17 PM

Would love to see Lofton back and a LT signed going into the draft, I'd be happy.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:17 PM

It's still funny to me that people thing Abe was REALLY seeking 12 mil. a year.  Context people...

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:18 PM

Lofton?  Sign him for vet minimum TD!  :D

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:19 PM

while TD did not make the big splash I wanted - on the players he is signing, he is making very smart/frugal deals - other than   Grimes,  nobody has been overpaid.....

kudos to TD for this.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:19 PM

TD has dominated this offseason, but he's done it by getting bang for his buck. Lots of smart, affordable contracts that preserve our team while keeping cap space free for big additions in the future.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:20 PM

View Postjfalconsp, on 23 March 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

Would love to see Lofton back and a LT signed going into the draft, I'd be happy.


If we resign Lofton... We are not signing a FA LT

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:20 PM

JBO if it is between resigning Lofton or going after a LT I'm taking the latter.

Lofton has hurt himself by leaving his signing so late so regardless how it goes his new contract in my eyes will be about 30% less than expectations.I said 6 mill and call it a day I really think now its 4 or 5 if he's lucky.

I for one was ready to make the break from Abe but as mentioned Kudo's must go to the FO here they have paid Abe what he is worth we all no he is going to be situational and his cap hit should reflect that.

Edited by kiwifalcon, 23 March 2012 - 02:22 PM.


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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:21 PM

View Postg-dawg, on 23 March 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

while TD did not make the big splash I wanted - on the players he is signing, he is making very smart/frugal deals - other than   Grimes,  nobody has been overpaid.....

kudos to TD for this.
and Grimes still hasn't signed. He could end up being a frugal signing too. We will see, hopefully sooner rather than later.

Edited by hjerry, 23 March 2012 - 02:21 PM.


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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:23 PM

View Postg-dawg, on 23 March 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

while TD did not make the big splash I wanted - on the players he is signing, he is making very smart/frugal deals - other than   Grimes,  nobody has been overpaid.....

kudos to TD for this.


Exactly.. We could have the core signed for years and next year we cut release some Vets and gain alot of cap room if needed.

Where is FFS1970... If TD can resign Lofton for 5 mil a year and he was saying he would have paid Lofton 8 mil a year.... TD would have gotten a good deal

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:26 PM

I honestly don't think we're signing a LT as much as everyone is complaining about our line and thinks that's the logical move.  They're clearly keeping Baker and are gonna give him a chance to live up to that 1st round pick status...they've got Svitek who was solid last year and they feel will step in if Baker doesn't step up.  I think TD is content to go with those 2 as his LT options and a new RG and C.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:26 PM

View Postkiwifalcon, on 23 March 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

JBO if it is between resigning Lofton or going after a LT I'm taking the latter.

Lofton has hurt himself by leaving his signing so late so regardless how it goes his new contract in my eyes will be about 30% less than expectations.I said 6 mill and call it a day I really think now its 4 or 5 if he's lucky.

I for one was ready to make the break from Abe but as mentioned Kudo's must go to the FO here they have paid Abe what he is worth we all no he is going to be situational and his cap hit should reflect that.


I think after watching tape and hearing what Coach Pat Hill had to say.... I dont think we will sign another FA O-Lineman... I think we would have already done it unless we end up signing a guy for the Vet min... We may draft a guy but i dont see us signing a FA.

Patt Hill must feel like he can coach up what we have

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:26 PM

View Postatljbo, on 23 March 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:



If we resign Lofton... We are not signing a FA LT

I really want no part of re-signing Lofton.  With Tatupu/Dent, we will be fine without Lofton.  We desperately need to sign a LT - we are not getting one in the draft.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:27 PM

Big Splash I'm beginning to think if that is in TD's line of thinking at all.Sure they added Turner I think thats the most he's spent on a player in FA.

But seriously they need to either hit in the draft with a pass rusher or LT or get the chequebook out and pay the going rate for a stud in either of these positions.

I'm sick and tired of seeing inconsistent pass rush from our guys,seriously over it 4 years in and we still have a huge hole in both those area's.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:29 PM

View Postslamee101, on 23 March 2012 - 02:26 PM, said:

I honestly don't think we're signing a LT as much as everyone is complaining about our line and thinks that's the logical move.  They're clearly keeping Baker and are gonna give him a chance to live up to that 1st round pick status...they've got Svitek who was solid last year and they feel will step in if Baker doesn't step up.  I think TD is content to go with those 2 as his LT options and a new RG and C.

I think you may be right that Falcons are not signing a left tackle.   I don't understand it though - clearly Left Tackle is this team's biggest need......

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:32 PM

View Postg-dawg, on 23 March 2012 - 02:26 PM, said:


I really want no part of re-signing Lofton.  With Tatupu/Dent, we will be fine without Lofton.  We desperately need to sign a LT - we are not getting one in the draft.


I get the feeling that Pat Hill thinks he can do with what he has.... For us to not target the O-line more... Pat Hill has to feel that he can coach our guys up... We may draft a couple of O-Lineman but over all.. He has to feel like he has his guys.If

we can get Lofton back for 5 mil a year.. I want him back

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:33 PM

View Postatljbo, on 23 March 2012 - 02:26 PM, said:



I think after watching tape and hearing what Coach Pat Hill had to say.... I dont think we will sign another FA O-Lineman... I think we would have already done it unless we end up signing a guy for the Vet min... We may draft a guy but i dont see us signing a FA.

Patt Hill must feel like he can coach up what we have
I'm no coach and have never played the game in my life but in the last 3 seasons I have made it my mission to watch as much film and highlights as I can and listen to as many clued up F/Ball people I can.Man I don't no Pat Hill from a bar of soap but I will say this if he is serious and thinks he can get something out of Baker Reynolds Jackson and Johnson well I'll eat my hat because all I see out of those guys are roster filling depth picks at best I don't see at this stage maybe outside of Mike Johnson a starter anywhere with those 4.I have become more critical this year and I see other side of the line is in more trouble than the o-line anyway.

I'd love for the FO to pay your guy Collins and let them cut Baker thats just the truth I just don't see why we are flogging a dead horse here.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:43 PM

View Postatljbo, on 23 March 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

If we resign Lofton... We are not signing a FA LT

If it comes down to that choice I'll take the FA LT.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:43 PM

View Postkiwifalcon, on 23 March 2012 - 02:33 PM, said:

I'm no coach and have never played the game in my life but in the last 3 seasons I have made it my mission to watch as much film and highlights as I can and listen to as many clued up F/Ball people I can.Man I don't no Pat Hill from a bar of soap but I will say this if he is serious and thinks he can get something out of Baker Reynolds Jackson and Johnson well I'll eat my hat because all I see out of those guys are roster filling depth picks at best I don't see at this stage maybe outside of Mike Johnson a starter anywhere with those 4.I have become more critical this year and I see other side of the line is in more trouble than the o-line anyway.

I'd love for the FO to pay your guy Collins and let them cut Baker thats just the truth I just don't see why we are flogging a dead horse here.


Collins just went back to the bengals.


How can you say that about Jackson and Johnson and you havnt seen them play yet... The man specialty is the O-Line... I cant tell the man what to see when he see the film...


I will wait and see what happens.. I do think we will draft a  O-Lineman or 2.