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[FalconFanForLife]

Most of you guys crack me up.  Are you so simplistic that you ever expect any professional like Dimitroff to ever say anything in an interview except the standard corporate speak?  They don't ever tip their hands, they never criticize anyone and they are never going to tell you anything meaningful.  

Also, WTH did you expect TD to do in FA?  We had TONS of FA's to resign for a team that leads the NFC in the most wins the past 4 seasons, and made the playoffs in 3 of those 4 years.  There was NOT a lot of money to spend, and nothing wrong with the core team to begin with.  Some of you just seem to have some kind of fantasy football mindset.  Get real, this is the NFL.  You don't blow up a successful franchise and retool the entire roster in one FA signing period.

This is a franchise that needs tweaking, not rebuilding.  I think all most of you really want is some flashy signing to overcome your boredom with the offseason.  We have an entirely new coaching staff, and MOST of you agreed last year the coaches were subpar and largely responsible for our failures.

Now quit your whining and let's see how this pans out.  But for goodness sake, quit sounding so gullible with what is in the media.  Just take it for the entertainment value it is intended to be and quit reading it for face value.

OK off my soapbox now.

Edited by FalconFanForLife, 16 March 2012 - 09:35 PM.

[Skareffect]

Statick, on 16 March 2012 - 09:04 PM, said:

Dimitroff needs to realize that, to some people, overspending on big name FAs is progress.

You don't need to overspend on big name FA's when you can improve your team in other ways.

[neko]

Sleepy27, on 16 March 2012 - 08:08 PM, said:

I'm not even saying we should be signing alot of folks,but this cat dimitroff needs to stop playing dumb plain and simple, If they say they are gonna be more aggressive in free agency how do you think fans of a team that just got whooped in the playoffs for the 2nd straight time are gonna take that?

Same as after the Green Bay whooping and the Julio drafting and them saying "we're gonna be more explosive" they knew the fans were expecting us to be a little more pass heavey.

Then when that backfired they got out their little stat sheet and Dimitroff was on some "well technically we were more explosive" man shut that crap up

THIS. i have been supportive of TD since he's been here, but this double speak is starting to really piss me off. i understand the contract leverage game, as well as maintaining confidence in player/coaches by speaking positive, but this ish to the fans about explosive (last year) and aggressive (in FA this year) are flat out lies. one more TD and i dont have your back any longer. my trust in you is fading. if you believe the team is good as it is - great, say so, but then dont tell me you are going to be aggressive in FA and then pretend that means signing back your own. if that was also part of your leverage game, more power to you for getting your guys resigned and making fans irritable all at once. but try explaining the explosive one form last year. ****

[Carl927]

Sorry, TD.  Not even a homer like myself can buy that "Baker has grit" hogwash.  If you're keeping him, at least say it with a little shame.

[Statick]

Skar, on 16 March 2012 - 09:39 PM, said:

You don't need to overspend on big name FA's when you can improve your team in other ways.

Yes. I implied as much.

[dirtydealin5858]

JulioisCoolio, on 16 March 2012 - 09:29 PM, said:

Id take that.

Heck, I'll throw in a case of Plochman's Mustard to sweeten the deal.

[madman88]

bfarmer1980, on 16 March 2012 - 07:05 PM, said:

Change [cheynj]

verb (used with object)
1.  To make the form, nature, content, future course, etc., of (something) different from what it is or from what it would be if left alone.
2.  To transform or convert.
3.  To substitute another or others for; exchange  for something else, usually of the same kind.

verb (used without object)
1.  To become different.
2.  To become altered or modified.
3.  To become transformed or converted.

noun
1.  A transformation or modification; alteration.
2.  A variation or deviation.
3.  The substitution of one thing for another.

So, somehow, re-signing the same pieces equates to significant changes.  This, to me, speaks to the fact that Mr. Dimitroff sincerely believes that nearly all the Falcons woes can be attributed to coaching, rather than the players.  I, for one, believe that, while coaching played a huge part, there's a disturbing reluctance to try to genuinely fix the several problems that exist on the team, rather than just patching.  As much as i like and respect TD, that disturbs me.

he has made changes to the biggest issue in our line... Bringing back abe, intrest in langford, also going after maniu who is going to win that match to start...  If we bring mcneil in then ue isnt leaving without a fontract given our rep on FAs, that would sure up the biggest problems alont the o-line...

I think he is being aggressiclve but just being cost effective in his approach... When all said and done both lines will be sured up by TC...

[Knight of God]

I said earlier that Baker would be the starter unless I missed something. I think it will go that way as Smith said he is VERY COMFORTABLE...I hope we do get an upgrade at the POSITION, but it looks dim.

Draft can't come fast enough.

[paulitik]

JOEinPHX, on 16 March 2012 - 07:53 PM, said:

Easy, Big Fella.  Smitty says he's fine with Baker.  Dimitroff says he's fine with Baker.  Only one message can be taken from this........we're not gonna give the agent of Baker's replacement any more leverage than he already has.  Do agents see through this stuff?  Sure.  But the seed of doubt is planted, and a better deal with the new guy is pretty much assured.

Good point, that said, I'm not a mindreader, so just the mere possibility of them believing what they say scares the piss out of me.

[Free Radical]

TD and Smith aren't stupid. They aren't pleased by his play. The fact he was nearly benched last year and was shuffled around and benched this year says all you need to know about his situation. His production has been crap, they aren't satisfied with his play.

[MrJay]

every falcon fan on this board needs to read this topic. These trolls who cry about everything think they know it all

[Herr Doktor]

JOEinPHX, on 16 March 2012 - 07:53 PM, said:

Easy, Big Fella.  Smitty says he's fine with Baker.  Dimitroff says he's fine with Baker.  Only one message can be taken from this........we're not gonna give the agent of Baker's replacement any more leverage than he already has.  Do agents see through this stuff?  Sure.  But the seed of doubt is planted, and a better deal with the new guy is pretty much assured.

I was about to post this myself!  Well said Joe!

[No Gimmicks Needed]

Sven, on 16 March 2012 - 05:49 PM, said:

Every time the staff compliments Sam Baker, I die a little inside.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[vel]

I always said that about Baker as one of the reasons he sucked: he was always on his heels. The few times he attacked the DE first he looked marginally better. Just look at the Eagles game. He was catching Cole ALL game and was abused for it. But what made it worse is that he already sucked, had back issue, and was light in the pants. Get McNeil and you get a 340lb man who is a lot harder to push back.

[USAF HART]

Wow! I could barely get through page 1 without wanting to rip my eyes out from all the pathetic negativity surrounding TD's interview. Y'all REALLY think this is madden huh? You really think that we can just MAGICALLY clear $15-20 Million in cap space to run out and sign a Mario Williams or Carl Nicks. Get over it! There is a reason why these guys are in the front office and you are crying on a message board as a fan. They know what they are doing. If it were up to some of you idiots on here, the Falcons would have been uprooted and moved to London or Canada after the loss to Green Bay in the playoffs.

TD, while obviously providing the general feel good presser response, actually spoke the truth for the most part. Change does not HAVE to mean new. Change is exactly what the Falcons have done so far this off-season. We've let go of some guys, and we've signed a couple of new guys that were within our budget constraints. We've brought back JA55, HD, and a few other core guys. The BIGGEST CHANGE is our change in coordinators. That alone, SHOULD produce different results.

All of you bashing Sam Baker, obviously do not understand the smaller workings of the NFL. If the FO sits there and bashes Sam Baker left and right, talks about how horrible he is, yadda yadda yadda; if we sign McNeil and attempt to trade Baker, we MIGHT get a 6th round pick for him. However, they are giving Baker their vote of confidence, talking up his game, and making sure that teams out there who might be looking for OL help, understand that Baker (by the way the FO is handling him publically), could be a good addition on a different team, thus increasing is trade value. It's the oldest trick in the book.

If you want the huge additions and all the glitz and glamour, go play Madden and trade away Matt Ryan for 2 first round draft picks, trade Roddy White for Adrian Peterson, and whatever other stupid moves you might want to make. But leave fiction out of reality, and wake the **** up!

[vel]

USAF HART, on 17 March 2012 - 07:39 AM, said:

All of you bashing Sam Baker, obviously do not understand the smaller workings of the NFL. If the FO sits there and bashes Sam Baker left and right, talks about how horrible he is, yadda yadda yadda; if we sign McNeil and attempt to trade Baker, we MIGHT get a 6th round pick for him. However, they are giving Baker their vote of confidence, talking up his game, and making sure that teams out there who might be looking for OL help, understand that Baker (by the way the FO is handling him publically), could be a good addition on a different team, thus increasing is trade value. It's the oldest trick in the book.

Thank you. Baker, we all know, sucks. But why would the FO/HC call him out on it? What do they gain from it? The Eagles just dumped Winston Justice and a 6th to the Eagles for a higher 6th. If TD can do the same, we've made out like bandits. Bash Baker and you get nothing for him. Too bad a lot of this board doesn't have business savvy or plain ole common sense

[USAF HART]

vel, on 17 March 2012 - 07:47 AM, said:

Thank you. Baker, we all know, sucks. But why would the FO/HC call him out on it? What do they gain from it? The Eagles just dumped Winston Justice and a 6th to the Eagles for a higher 6th. If TD can do the same, we've made out like bandits. Bash Baker and you get nothing for him. Too bad a lot of this board doesn't have business savvy or plain ole common sense

It really is just a simple business move. I'll make it even easier for the little kids to understand. If you go to a car dealership and you are looking around at cars. If the sales person comes up to the car you are looking at and says "oh man, this one doesn't really run very well. It has a lot of issues with the gear shifter, and the gas mileage is horrible", how are you going to look at that car? Now if he comes up to that same car, tells you about all these cool features, how great the mileage is, and how much room that car has, you would be more likely to purchase it correct? It's the exact same thing they COULD be doing with Baker.

[vabchbirdlover]

USAF HART, on 17 March 2012 - 08:04 AM, said:

It really is just a simple business move. I'll make it even easier for the little kids to understand. If you go to a car dealership and you are looking around at cars. If the sales person comes up to the car you are looking at and says "oh man, this one doesn't really run very well. It has a lot of issues with the gear shifter, and the gas mileage is horrible", how are you going to look at that car? Now if he comes up to that same car, tells you about all these cool features, how great the mileage is, and how much room that car has, you would be more likely to purchase it correct? It's the exact same thing they COULD be doing with Baker.

The only thing wrong with that analogy, is other teams have knowledge(Film) on his entire career, try as they may, no way can the Falcon FO can pull a fast one on any competent team.

Edited by vabchbirdlover, 17 March 2012 - 08:17 AM.

[USAF HART]

vabchbirdlover, on 17 March 2012 - 08:14 AM, said:

The only thing wrong with that analogy, is other teams have knowledge(Film) on his entire career, try as they may, no way can the Falcon FO can pull a fast one on any competent team.

Show me the Car Fax LOL