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[HerFavoriteColo(u)r.]

Gas hasn't even hit 5 dollars yet. The gas station right outside of UCLA hovers in the 4.70 range right now.
"We don't believe you, you need more people."

[SYD]

Mr. Ralph, on 07 March 2012 - 09:02 PM, said:

Gas hasn't even hit 5 dollars yet. The gas station right outside of UCLA hovers in the 4.70 range right now.
"We don't believe you, you need more people."

Snak and steve = hypocrites and selective rage

plus they tend to just make stuff up to support their hypocrisy and selective rage.

[falconsd56]

SYD, on 07 March 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

Snak and steve = hypocrites and selective rage

plus they tend to just make stuff up to support their hypocrisy and selective rage.

That is what I am thinking., maybe if they are talking about premium but then that would be dishonest.
Then again that would not be a shock.

[The Legendary SB]

Saying the president has done the right things as far as gas prices go is an absolute joke.  The presidents actions have been entirely counter-productive as it relates to gas prices:

[Deisel]

falconsd56, on 07 March 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

That is what I am thinking., maybe if they are talking about premium but then that would be dishonest.
Then again that would not be a shock.

I saw the remark online about a station that posted a $6 gallon sign. Obviously the media cannot take a picture of every minute by minute event. It was reported. Its since gone down. No other comments reported. $5 gas in already in Cali, and everyone knows its going higher.

[eatcorn]

You continually ignore simple facts and economics in an effort to blame the President for your own laziness and apathy. Take control of your actions instead of whining about Obama. The President does not, and never has, controlled gas prices. Americans pay a far lower rate for gas than most other nations, and supply is up. The only missing element is decreased demand, something about which you have direct control, but refuse to act. Your complaints have no merit whatsoever.

Stop asking the government to do for you what you are not willing to do for yourself.

[Deisel]

eatcorn, on 08 March 2012 - 09:44 AM, said:

You continually ignore simple facts and economics in an effort to blame the President for your own laziness and apathy. Take control of your actions instead of whining about Obama. The President does not, and never has, controlled gas prices. Americans pay a far lower rate for gas than most other nations, and supply is up. The only missing element is decreased demand, something about which you have direct control, but refuse to act. Your complaints have no merit whatsoever.

Stop asking the government to do for you what you are not willing to do for yourself.

Why should we Demand less of a product that has Historically been more then half the price its now, and a product that will carry us thru 2100? Its a product we can produce with Certainty, and control our own destiny. Its not about to run out.

[AcworthFalcFan]

eatcorn, on 08 March 2012 - 09:44 AM, said:

You continually ignore simple facts and economics in an effort to blame the President for your own laziness and apathy. Take control of your actions instead of whining about Obama. The President does not, and never has, controlled gas prices. Americans pay a far lower rate for gas than most other nations, and supply is up. The only missing element is decreased demand, something about which you have direct control, but refuse to act. Your complaints have no merit whatsoever.

Stop asking the government to do for you what you are not willing to do for yourself.

I actually disagree with this.  If prices are artificially inflated through things such as speculation then government has a role in regulating such speculation to prevent the artificial inflation.  The market forces--increasing demand in China and India and so forth--are beyond the president's control.  But there are things he can do at the margins to lower prices now and reduce how much they increase in the future.  And unfortunately, this president hasn't been very serious about doing those things.

[capologist]

eatcorn, on 08 March 2012 - 09:44 AM, said:

The only missing element is decreased demand, something about which you have direct control, but refuse to act.

While I've made it clear that it's not just Obama that is to blame, we really don't have control over demand either.  We have very limited options of what we can do.  Sure, we can go to more economic vehicles but that really isn't much of a difference in the end.

Even if you grant your argument of going to more fuel efficient vehicles, it doesn't account for the continous weakening of the US Dollar.  That's not solely on the President either but moreso, the entire system...

[eatcorn]

AcworthFalcFan, on 08 March 2012 - 09:50 AM, said:

I actually disagree with this.  If prices are artificially inflated through things such as speculation then government has a role in regulating such speculation to prevent the artificial inflation.  The market forces--increasing demand in China and India and so forth--are beyond the president's control.  But there are things he can do at the margins to lower prices now and reduce how much they increase in the future.  And unfortunately, this president hasn't been very serious about doing those things.

We already pay far lower prices than most of the world! At some point people have to acknowledge that oil is expensive, and that we're paying a low rate. At some point people have to address the demand portion of the equation and take control of that which they can control.

Speculation is part of commodities markets.

[eatcorn]

capologist, on 08 March 2012 - 09:56 AM, said:

While I've made it clear that it's not just Obama that is to blame, we really don't have control over demand either.  We have very limited options of what we can do.  Sure, we can go to more economic vehicles but that really isn't much of a difference in the end.

Even if you grant your argument of going to more fuel efficient vehicles, it doesn't account for the continous weakening of the US Dollar.  That's not solely on the President either but moreso, the entire system...

Find different modes of transportation. Find work closer to home. Make different decisions!

[SYD]

Deisel, on 08 March 2012 - 09:24 AM, said:

I saw the remark online about a station that posted a $6 gallon sign. Obviously the media cannot take a picture of every minute by minute event. It was reported. Its since gone down. No other comments reported. $5 gas in already in Cali, and everyone knows its going higher.

You are a perfect example of hypocrisy and selective rage. Rage about 6$ gas that wasn't actually there and total hypocrisy for complaining about gas prices while recently buying 2 gas guzzling SUV's.

The defense of your views which are in conflict with your personal actions is not possible. You are factually a hypocrite.

[AcworthFalcFan]

eatcorn, on 08 March 2012 - 09:56 AM, said:

We already pay far lower prices than most of the world! At some point people have to acknowledge that oil is expensive, and that we're paying a low rate. At some point people have to address the demand portion of the equation and take control of that which they can control.

Speculation is part of commodities markets.

To the first part, I don't disagree.  But none of that means that we couldn't pay an even lower rate.  To the second part, when it comes to things like oil, it shouldn't be legal.  Only someone with the intent of actually taking ownership of the commodity should be allowed to purchase it.

[capologist]

eatcorn, on 08 March 2012 - 09:57 AM, said:

Find different modes of transportation. Find work closer to home. Make different decisions!

That's easier said than done.  I don't know many people that can just find a new job on a whim or pick up and move like that in this economy.

In my case, I live 32 miles from my job.  Moving closer would mean an increase in the cost of housing and would actually cost more than I'd save in fuel expenses so it makes no sense for me to move.

I'm also job hunting but there's just not a lot of jobs out there right now.

There are no other modes of transportation available for those needs.

So why don't we actually address the real problem of why alternatives have been so limited--it's not the technology, we've got that and we've had that for quite a while.  There's no way anyone will ever convince me that we can put a rover on Mars that takes great pictures yet can't figure this out.  That just doesn't pass the smell test.

Why don't we stabilize the dollar by actually putting value back into it?  I'll tell you why, it goes back to those 146,000,000 reasons I mentioned before...

[The Legendary SB]

I can survive gas prices being higher.  But I'm sure a lot of VOTERS can't.  Obama being counter-productive at fixing this problem is only going to hurt him in November.

[eatcorn]

AcworthFalcFan, on 08 March 2012 - 10:03 AM, said:

To the first part, I don't disagree.  But none of that means that we couldn't pay an even lower rate.  To the second part, when it comes to things like oil, it shouldn't be legal.  Only someone with the intent of actually taking ownership of the commodity should be allowed to purchase it.

Well, if one has argued vehemently against government control and regulation, it seems that inserting government control and regulation would be something to which one would be opposed.

But that's apparently not always the case.

[AcworthFalcFan]

capologist, on 08 March 2012 - 10:04 AM, said:

That's easier said than done.  I don't know many people that can just find a new job on a whim or pick up and move like that in this economy.

In my case, I live 32 miles from my job.  Moving closer would mean an increase in the cost of housing and would actually cost more than I'd save in fuel expenses so it makes no sense for me to move.

Doesn't this essentially destroy the states' rights libertarian argument regarding most policies?  The counter-argument I hear most when pointing out the negative repercussions of states ending programs that help the poor or minorities is "they can move to another state".  If people have a very hard time moving 30 miles, how much more to move to an entirely different state?

[Deisel]

SYD, on 08 March 2012 - 10:00 AM, said:

You are a perfect example of hypocrisy and selective rage. Rage about 6$ gas that wasn't actually there and total hypocrisy for complaining about gas prices while recently buying 2 gas guzzling SUV's.

The defense of your views which are in conflict with your personal actions is not possible. You are factually a hypocrite.

There is a reason I ignore your posts. Ignore mine as well. The price was flashed and reported. Me buying SUVs that fit my Needs are Non of your Frekin business. You act as though tolerance is only on your side of the fence. This nation is founded on Freedom to chose. And gas and oil are National commodities. We are being held hostage by our own Govt and its inability to stand up for THIS country.

[AcworthFalcFan]

eatcorn, on 08 March 2012 - 10:07 AM, said:

Well, if one has argued vehemently against government control and regulation, it seems that inserting government control and regulation would be something to which one would be opposed.

But that's apparently not always the case.

That's a perfectly fair point--many conservatives simultaneously demand less government regulation while demanding Obama do more (e.g., regulate) to reduce oil prices.

[SYD]

eatcorn, on 08 March 2012 - 09:57 AM, said:

Find different modes of transportation. Find work closer to home. Make different decisions!

Or at the very least do not buy 2 gas guzzling SUV's right now and then go on a rampage complaining about gas prices.

I mean someone is not going to do a **** thing to help their gas usage they certainly should at least shut up and not complain about gas prices.

Edited by SYD, 08 March 2012 - 10:16 AM.