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[Falconsfan567™]

He just signed Manny to a minor-league deal. This after signing Cespedes.

Yoenis Cespedes
Collin Cowgill
Coco Crisp
Jonny Gomes
Manny Ramirez
Josh Reddick
Seth Smith
Michael Taylor

Those are all guys the A's expect to me on the MLB roster.

[Unkn0wn]

Manny did sign just a minor league deal if he makes the team his salary is $500,000 he wants to prove he still has it and what a steal it would be if he does have something left in the tank

[ATLBrave]

Cespeses could very well start out in the minors, Seth Smith will probably be platooned with Gomes, and Crisp will be the CF. Manny can't play in the field anymore, strictly a DH (not to mention he's gotta serve the suspension), and Cowgill probably won't be on the ML roster and if he is, then he might play 1B.

[Falconsfan567™]

ATLBrave, on 20 February 2012 - 04:41 PM, said:

Cespeses could very well start out in the minors, Seth Smith will probably be platooned with Gomes, and Crisp will be the CF. Manny can't play in the field anymore, strictly a DH (not to mention he's gotta serve the suspension), and Cowgill probably won't be on the ML roster and if he is, then he might play 1B.

Well at least you can make some sense out of all those outfielders because I couldn't. And speaking of the Manny suspension I don't see how it's fair to anyone else it's been reduced to only 50 games instead of the 100 games that caused up to up and retire last April. It's not fair one bit because he's already been down the road of a 50 game suspension.

[Unkn0wn]

It was a deal the MLBPA worked out with the league I guess since he sit out basically all of last year they used that to get it reduced

[Falconsfan567™]

Unkn0wn, on 20 February 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:

It was a deal the MLBPA worked out with the league I guess since he sit out basically all of last year they used that to get it reduced

It still doesn't make it fair. Basically what MLB is telling other players is that there is a loophole there. MLB didn't force Manny do retire last April. He did that on his own so to basically give him a break over it is setting a bad president.

[ugadawg]

falconsfan567, on 20 February 2012 - 05:58 PM, said:

It still doesn't make it fair. Basically what MLB is telling other players is that there is a loophole there. MLB didn't force Manny do retire last April. He did that on his own so to basically give him a break over it is setting a bad president.

not sure why you are upset that instead of a 100 game suspension he will actually serve a 212 game.

[Falconsfan567™]

ugadawg, on 20 February 2012 - 09:12 PM, said:

not sure why you are upset that instead of a 100 game suspension he will actually serve a 212 game.

It's not serve a 212-game suspension from MLB. He was sentenced to a 100-game suspension and instead choose to retire. That was his own doing. MLB did not force that upon him. Now he wants to come back and that 100-game suspension should still stand. Not a 50-game suspension. It's the principal of the situation. Other MLB players can use this case against MLB and therefore that opens up a whole can of worms. This is the 2nd strike against Manny and the 2nd failed drug test results in a 100-game suspension. That's what the MLBPA agreed to and what the owners agreed to.

[ugadawg]

falconsfan567, on 20 February 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

It's not serve a 212-game suspension from MLB. He was sentenced to a 100-game suspension and instead choose to retire. That was his own doing. MLB did not force that upon him. Now he wants to come back and that 100-game suspension should still stand. Not a 50-game suspension. It's the principal of the situation. Other MLB players can use this case against MLB and therefore that opens up a whole can of worms. This is the 2nd strike against Manny and the 2nd failed drug test results in a 100-game suspension. That's what the MLBPA agreed to and what the owners agreed to.

Either way he still will miss 212 games where originally he would have only missed 100.  Either way Manny will miss more games.

[Unkn0wn]

Just to update his contract is pro-rated so he'll actually only make $306,000 this year

[ransack]

What is Billy Beane doing? Doing what any hamstrung GM would do. Try to build a Ferrari out of used Kia, Honda, Hyundai, GM, Ford, Dodge, and Toyota parts.

[Falconsfan567™]

ugadawg, on 20 February 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

Either way he still will miss 212 games where originally he would have only missed 100.  Either way Manny will miss more games.

Yes he will because he choose to miss more games. Not because MLB forced him too. I feel the same way about Ryan Braun. Braun is one of my favorite players but if his 50-game suspension gets overturned it's another can of worms.

[Falconsfan567™]

ransack, on 20 February 2012 - 11:24 PM, said:

What is Billy Beane doing? Doing what any hamstrung GM would do. Try to build a Ferrari out of used Kia, Honda, Hyundai, GM, Ford, Dodge, and Toyota parts.

Beane is severly overrated as a GM. The A's haven't made the playoffs since 2006 and have won only 1 playoff series since he's been GM in 1997. The Twins had low payrolls for years and years and years and still managed to at least find a way to make the playoffs year after year after year. You can make the case that's because the Twins played in an easier division but I can make the case that the A's division for years was the weakest in baseball. The Marlins won the WS in 2003 with hardly any payroll.

Oh and if the A's don't have any money of any kind how in the heck can they give out the kind of contract to a guy like Cespedes who has never played an inning in the majors? I understand the A's have much lower payroll limits than most teams but Beane also hasn't made good trades. Look at the Tim Hudson trade for example. That was an absolute steal for the Braves. Dan Meyer, Juan Cruz and Charles Thomas. There are other trades that they've made that didn't work out. Now it's hard to judge getting prospects back but the Marlins proved that in 2003 if you make sound trades you can get back good enough players to win with.

[ransack]

falconsfan567, on 20 February 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

Beane is severly overrated as a GM. The A's haven't made the playoffs since 2006 and have won only 1 playoff series since he's been GM in 1997. The Twins had low payrolls for years and years and years and still managed to at least find a way to make the playoffs year after year after year. You can make the case that's because the Twins played in an easier division but I can make the case that the A's division for years was the weakest in baseball. The Marlins won the WS in 2003 with hardly any payroll.

Oh and if the A's don't have any money of any kind how in the heck can they give out the kind of contract to a guy like Cespedes who has never played an inning in the majors? I understand the A's have much lower payroll limits than most teams but Beane also hasn't made good trades. Look at the Tim Hudson trade for example. That was an absolute steal for the Braves. Dan Meyer, Juan Cruz and Charles Thomas. There are other trades that they've made that didn't work out. Now it's hard to judge getting prospects back but the Marlins proved that in 2003 if you make sound trades you can get back good enough players to win with.

Did I ever say he was good? You're assuming a lot from a simple statement. I don't like his philosophies but I can also recognize the fact that he probably has had the least amount of resources to work with over the past decade or so. Sure a lot of his ideas and trades haven't necessarily worked out but at least he tried to do more with less. As far as Cespedes goes I guess he felt he needed to take a risk. He's hoping to get 15 mil a year production for far less. He's gambling but you can't win if you don't play. Like I said not my thing but I can recognize a guy for trying something different.

[muskokas finest ©]

falconsfan567, on 20 February 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

It's not serve a 212-game suspension from MLB. He was sentenced to a 100-game suspension and instead choose to retire. That was his own doing. MLB did not force that upon him. Now he wants to come back and that 100-game suspension should still stand. Not a 50-game suspension. It's the principal of the situation. Other MLB players can use this case against MLB and therefore that opens up a whole can of worms. This is the 2nd strike against Manny and the 2nd failed drug test results in a 100-game suspension. That's what the MLBPA agreed to and what the owners agreed to.

I agree.  This smacks of lawyers getting involved.  What is the 3rd suspension level and if Manny is caught again does he skip past the 100 game ban and right to season or permanent ban?

[Falconsfan567™]

muskokas finest, on 21 February 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

I agree.  This smacks of lawyers getting involved.  What is the 3rd suspension level and if Manny is caught again does he skip past the 100 game ban and right to season or permanent ban?

Yep. That's my point. When others players get caught they can use this against MLB and MLB is going to end up regretting that they allowed this to happen with Manny.

[young mr. grace]

ransack, on 20 February 2012 - 11:24 PM, said:

What is Billy Beane doing? Doing what any hamstrung GM would do. Try to build a Ferrari out of used Kia, Honda, Hyundai, GM, Ford, Dodge, and Toyota parts.

You're such a loser, dad.
You're such a loser, dad.
You're such a loser, dad.
Just enjoy the show.