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[Robb4242]

Matty Ice is 0-3 when it counts most.  Is it time to give up on him yet?  Time for this organization to bite the bullett and make the big change?  There are many on these boards who seem to think this is a good idea.  I will admit to giving that some thought as well this afternoon.  But in the end, we are in bed with Ryan for better or worse.  I do think it will be better though.  We've got the skill position talent to take this team to the top, we just need to give it the meat inside to maximize the skill position talent thst we do have.

After the loss this afternoon I was offline for a while, no MB, no twitter, no anything, just time away to let the end of the season sink in.  So I was looking back over some tweets that were made this evening before I went to bed and came across this one that was retweeted by Jay Adams

Peyton Manning started 0-3 in the playoffs.  In those 3 playoff games Manning averaged 186 yards, completed 47.8% of his passes, had 1 TD & 2 INTs.

Ryan is also 0-3 in the playoffs.  In those 3 games he has averaged 194.7 yards, completed 64.2% of his passes, had 3 TDs & 4 INTs.

I come back to something I say or think a lot, especially when reading these boards.  We are way too impatient as a society.  So Ryan is 0-3 in the playoffs, that doesn't mean he can't win.  He has led this team to the playoffs in 3 of 4 years, that's impressive regardless of what QB or team you are looking at.  Brees has only been in 3 of the last 4.  So has Brady & Roethlisberger.  Vick has NEVER gone to the postseason in 3 out of 4 years.

Is it disapointing that we have not won a post season game under Ryan?  Sure it is, but remember that this is just the beginning of Ryan's career.  Remember that this is real life and not a video game where you can just easily restart or make trades or cuts.  We all badly want to win, and we all know we can perform better than we've shown in the playoffs thus far.  I am by no means giving Ryan a pass for his performance in the playoffs, I've mentioned in some other posts that Ryan holds his share of the blame, but we've laid out a course for this franchise and we need to continue on that course, changing in the middle of it could have serious repercussions and set us back to the Falcons of the pre-Mike Smith era.  Are there changes that need to be made, absolutely, but Ryan is not one of those changes.

Just as an FYI, Ryan who reminds many of Manning in his cerebral way of playing the game, has similar, and in some cases better stats than Manning in his first 4 years.  Ryan has more TDs/attempt and fewer INTs/attempt than Manning did in his first 4 years.

[Falcons84]

You took the words right out of my mouth

[Torris]

+1

[Zanka]

Very nice post. I for one still believe in Ryan.

[York]

While the comparison is a bit overboard, it's uncannily similar. I still like Ryan. We have SO many more urgent needs right now, including but not limited to:

OC
O-Line
D-Line
Safety
True Starter CB
All Around HB
Balls
Successer to TG
Better PR/KR

[niels petersen]

True. That puts some perspective on it..

Ryan does deserve his share of blame, but the truth is no one played well on offense yesterday. The defense held up in the 1st half, but cant do everything without an offense.

Just think about how good we can be, when Ryan finally gets that playoff monkey off his back. That will give him the confidence to win in the postseason for years to come IMO.. But we will have to wait and see, and as you say, be more patient. We will have to find a new good OC as our first thing of the offseason, though.

[Daddy's Home]

Ok...

Explain this to me.

On the Hail Mary play.

Why didn't he just throw it into the endzone?

Manning would have.

[swift]

If you watched Peyton Manning through the years you knew he was special . His command and presence was like no other QB . He made the offensive system . Matt Ryan is not in same breath as Peyton . Its a disgrace to do so


Just cause Peyton struggled in his first couple of  playoff games and Ryan has we need to equate the 2 . it doesnt work like that

You seen a QB like Tim Tebow make huge throws and our QB look timid and scarrec


Matt Ryan is not the guy to lead us to SB

[k-train]

swift, on 09 January 2012 - 06:30 AM, said:

If you watched Peyton Manning through the years you knew he was special . His command and presence was like no other QB . He made the offensive system . Matt Ryan is not in same breath as Peyton . Its a disgrace to do so


Just cause Peyton struggled in his first couple of  playoff games and Ryan has we need to equate the 2 . it doesnt work like that

You seen a QB like Tim Tebow make huge throws and our QB look timid and scarrec


Matt Ryan is not the guy to lead us to SB

Ok... so who is then?

[ya_boi_j]

It all starts up front

[Daddy's Home]

k-train, on 09 January 2012 - 06:40 AM, said:

Ok... so who is then?

The first step is acknowledging that we have a problem...

Matt Ryan is that problem.

[DatBoiBird]

Robb4242, on 09 January 2012 - 03:40 AM, said:

Matty Ice is 0-3 when it counts most.  Is it time to give up on him yet?  Time for this organization to bite the bullett and make the big change?  There are many on these boards who seem to think this is a good idea.  I will admit to giving that some thought as well this afternoon.  But in the end, we are in bed with Ryan for better or worse.  I do think it will be better though.  We've got the skill position talent to take this team to the top, we just need to give it the meat inside to maximize the skill position talent thst we do have.

After the loss this afternoon I was offline for a while, no MB, no twitter, no anything, just time away to let the end of the season sink in.  So I was looking back over some tweets that were made this evening before I went to bed and came across this one that was retweeted by Jay Adams

Peyton Manning started 0-3 in the playoffs.  In those 3 playoff games Manning averaged 186 yards, completed 47.8% of his passes, had 1 TD & 2 INTs.

Ryan is also 0-3 in the playoffs.  In those 3 games he has averaged 194.7 yards, completed 64.2% of his passes, had 3 TDs & 4 INTs.

I come back to something I say or think a lot, especially when reading these boards.  We are way too impatient as a society.  So Ryan is 0-3 in the playoffs, that doesn't mean he can't win.  He has led this team to the playoffs in 3 of 4 years, that's impressive regardless of what QB or team you are looking at.  Brees has only been in 3 of the last 4.  So has Brady & Roethlisberger.  Vick has NEVER gone to the postseason in 3 out of 4 years.

Is it disapointing that we have not won a post season game under Ryan?  Sure it is, but remember that this is just the beginning of Ryan's career.  Remember that this is real life and not a video game where you can just easily restart or make trades or cuts.  We all badly want to win, and we all know we can perform better than we've shown in the playoffs thus far.  I am by no means giving Ryan a pass for his performance in the playoffs, I've mentioned in some other posts that Ryan holds his share of the blame, but we've laid out a course for this franchise and we need to continue on that course, changing in the middle of it could have serious repercussions and set us back to the Falcons of the pre-Mike Smith era.  Are there changes that need to be made, absolutely, but Ryan is not one of those changes.

Just as an FYI, Ryan who reminds many of Manning in his cerebral way of playing the game, has similar, and in some cases better stats than Manning in his first 4 years.  Ryan has more TDs/attempt and fewer INTs/attempt than Manning did in his first 4 years.

Edited by DatBoiBird, 09 January 2012 - 07:31 AM.

[blkbigdog35]

See this is the problem everyone wants to proclaim him elite but he's not there yet.  Elite QB's show no fear and lead their teams to victory.   He's a good QB who still needs to work on his craft.

[mrfahaji]

Robb4242, on 09 January 2012 - 03:40 AM, said:

Matty Ice is 0-3 when it counts most.  Is it time to give up on him yet?  Time for this organization to bite the bullett and make the big change?

I almost stopped reading at this point and wrote you off as a moron - glad I didn't, good post!

[swift]

k-train, on 09 January 2012 - 06:40 AM, said:

Ok... so who is then?

I think we should draft a QB in 2nd or 3rd round

or take good look at Peyton Manning

Trade Ryan while he still has value

[ya_boi_j]

Guess what. The guy isn't going anywhere anytime soon so trying to get him out of a Falcon uniform will not help anything. Until this team takes an aggressive approach on offense, we will never make it to the SB. HD and Gonzo weren't really used until the 4th. We do not spread the ball around at all which is not good in this league. Dunta even called the offense out for crying out loud

[Daddy's Home]

swift, on 09 January 2012 - 06:50 AM, said:

I think we should draft a QB in 2nd or 3rd round

or take good look at Peyton Manning

Trade Ryan while he still has value

This is very important.

Right now his ability is just in the stage where people are questioning. Once it becomes established that he is, in fact, Joey Harrington, there is no turning back from that and we will get nothing for him.

[swift]

He looked like Joey Harrington yesterday

4.9 YPA is a joke

its sad our QB is scarred lil girl

[lasher1116]

First of all, Peyton Manning is staying with the colts.  So no chance that is happening.
Secondly, even if the colts were that dumb, Peyton would want 12 - 15 mil and we dont have that.
Third, if the same coaching staff, and supporting cast remain, the outcome would be the same....a winning season, with a disappointing loss in the playoffs.  

We have way too many other needs on this team that are far more serious then at QB.  

a little piece of advice, ignore all posts made by Swift, your wasting your time replying to the ignorant.

[DatBoiBird]

Matt Ryan is so overrated...i be glad when the Falcons recognize that....he looked like a dear caught in headlights out there today....timid aint the word for it..more like "scared" we have to much to only give so little...so next year i won't spend a dime going to the games....tv it will be for me thats all they deserve....i hope the whole attendance go down so they can see(front office) we as fans deserve better...and with Matt Ryan we are not getting it...he has had 3 chances in the playoffs and everyone of them he did not show up to play....so what is it going to take for us to stop hoping and wishing on a star???  just think if Vick wouldn't had his trouble off the field we wouldn't even be having this conversation....so they had to save face by bringing in Matt "The Great White Hope" Ryan to make a change.....SORRY BUT UNTIL I SEE SOME PROGRESS...IM GOING ON A FALCON STRIKE!!! and trust me i have the pull to start a trend!!! 25 years and all i've got out of the Falcons is disapointment!! "IM DONE"