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[Skareffect]

Yet another round of next-gen rumors but this time Christmas 2012 is the target (via Destructoid/Edge):

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Edge says that Ubisoft Montreal are using 'target boxes' created with the next Xbox's specs in mind. A source tells Edge that delivery of the first genuine dev kits is expected to reach studios before Christmas. They also say that all signs point to the next Microsoft console arriving at retail in late 2012.

These boxes are PCs using off-the-shelf components, and it is believed that AMD has supplied the GPU chip. Edge says that other studios, including EA, may also have these boxes now. One Sony studio is also moving on from PS3 development to the next PlayStation console. Edge says that the studio was involved in the development of this system's graphics technology.

That's just the concept image btw.. anyways rumors has been spreading around that news of the next-gen will be coming out at CES. I think it's way to soon for a new gen console imo.

Edited by Skar, 16 November 2011 - 04:52 PM.

[Jimsmusic™]

was about to say.. that picture looks atrocious

[Zodiac]

I wouldn't release another next-gen console until I know the economy has rebounded, if you start releasing 600$-1000$ consoles, and jack the games up another 10$ to 80$, you're going to kill off a **** ton of your consumer base (Teenagers)

[Skareffect]

Yeah, their not going to do that just for us Americans.

[Zodiac]

Skar, on 16 November 2011 - 10:41 PM, said:

Yeah, their not going to do that just for us Americans.

The economy is in the shitter in about every place not named China or Saudi Arabia

[MurrayfortheTD]

No way they're gonna release another console yet.

[Carter]

Zodiac, on 16 November 2011 - 10:28 PM, said:

I wouldn't release another next-gen console until I know the economy has rebounded, if you start releasing 600$-1000$ consoles, and jack the games up another 10$ to 80$, you're going to kill off a **** ton of your consumer base (Teenagers)

They will never release a console at that price point.  The complete and utter failure of the PS3's initial launch price guarantees it.  Consoles will be sold at a loss just like they are now (and have been for some time) while software and subscriptions make up the difference and turns a profit.  Digital stores will only lower the overhead costs as more and more people use online services each passing month.  The price of games may go up slightly for physical copies, but I can also see the number of titles pushed to disc release decreasing drastically.

I disagree with the idea that it's too soon for the next generation of game consoles, but I agree completely that it's a bad idea to do it next year for the very reason of the economy being crappy everywhere.  Ushering in the next generation before the market is capable of sustaining it will only serve to get big companies out of console gaming.  A lot of money is being invested in mobile gaming, be it smartphones or portables like the 3DS or Vita.

[Zodiac]

Carter, on 17 November 2011 - 09:30 PM, said:

They will never release a console at that price point.  The complete and utter failure of the PS3's initial launch price guarantees it.  Consoles will be sold at a loss just like they are now (and have been for some time) while software and subscriptions make up the difference and turns a profit.  Digital stores will only lower the overhead costs as more and more people use online services each passing month.  The price of games may go up slightly for physical copies, but I can also see the number of titles pushed to disc release decreasing drastically.

I disagree with the idea that it's too soon for the next generation of game consoles, but I agree completely that it's a bad idea to do it next year for the very reason of the economy being crappy everywhere.  Ushering in the next generation before the market is capable of sustaining it will only serve to get big companies out of console gaming.  A lot of money is being invested in mobile gaming, be it smartphones or portables like the 3DS or Vita.

Dude a new line GFX card costs around 650$, if they want to be on top of their game they'll have to pay nvidia to scale it down, cause those things are taller than the fat X360s. All the new tech is expensive as get out, and much much larger.

If they try to release an Xbox at <400$ it wil be a colossal loss. Also they have to find tvs that can support 3d vision or just drop the 3d idea overall.

Just because the PS3 failed doesn't mean it will keep prices from going up.

[Skareffect]

Carter, on 17 November 2011 - 09:30 PM, said:

They will never release a console at that price point.  The complete and utter failure of the PS3's initial launch price guarantees it.  Consoles will be sold at a loss just like they are now (and have been for some time) while software and subscriptions make up the difference and turns a profit.  Digital stores will only lower the overhead costs as more and more people use online services each passing month.  The price of games may go up slightly for physical copies, but I can also see the number of titles pushed to disc release decreasing drastically.

I disagree with the idea that it's too soon for the next generation of game consoles, but I agree completely that it's a bad idea to do it next year for the very reason of the economy being crappy everywhere.  Ushering in the next generation before the market is capable of sustaining it will only serve to get big companies out of console gaming.  A lot of money is being invested in mobile gaming, be it smartphones or portables like the 3DS or Vita.

I bet they could go higher then this generation of gaming consoles.

[Jimsmusic™]

they could, but the sales will suck a$$.

and they'll have to down the prices

[capologist]

Plus you have people like me that are just now getting their first xbox.  It'll be quite a while before I'm inclined to "upgrade"...

[ya_boi_j]

Rumor has is that the Xbox 720 will be smaller and cheaper than the Xbox 360 Slim

[Skareffect]

Jimsmusic™, on 18 November 2011 - 03:35 AM, said:

they could, but the sales will suck a$$.

and they'll have to down the prices

Not if its Microsoft, the 360 was already overpriced and people still flopped to it and whine about ps3's $600 price. I could see the next xbox console being $600.

ya_boi_j, on 18 November 2011 - 12:35 PM, said:

Rumor has is that the Xbox 720 will be smaller and cheaper than the Xbox 360 Slim

I heard of that rumor too and if that was the case, I wouldn't expect it to be much powerful then 360. Parts are $$$, if we want a console with very outstanding graphics, we have to pay for it.

Edited by Skar, 18 November 2011 - 12:57 PM.

[ya_boi_j]

Skar, on 18 November 2011 - 12:56 PM, said:

Not if its Microsoft, the 360 was already overpriced and people still flopped to it and whine about ps3's $600 price. I could see the next xbox console being $600.




I heard of that rumor too and if that was the case, I wouldn't expect it to be much powerful then 360. Parts are $$$, if we want a console with very outstanding graphics, we have to pay for it.

It could still be more powerful. You have to take into account that the are doing away with the hard drive and are gonna use the new cloud technology. That's over $100 saved already. The only expensive part they will need is a better graphics card. I imagine the smaller chip that stopped the over heating issue was pretty cheap.

[ya_boi_j]

Think about how they are overcharging for the Kinect. They profit over $100 for a 1.3 MP digital camera basically. They only put $56 into creating the Kinect. They can release a system that is better for a more reasonable price if they want to but we know that wont happen

[Skareffect]

ya_boi_j, on 18 November 2011 - 01:10 PM, said:

It could still be more powerful. You have to take into account that the are doing away with the hard drive and are gonna use the new cloud technology. That's over $100 saved already. The only expensive part they will need is a better graphics card. I imagine the smaller chip that stopped the over heating issue was pretty cheap.

Where do you hear that they were getting away with the hard drives? Just because cloud is out with the new dash, that doesn't mean they will get rid of hard drive/saves.

[ya_boi_j]

Skar, on 18 November 2011 - 03:27 PM, said:

Where do you hear that they were getting away with the hard drives? Just because cloud is out with the new dash, that doesn't mean they will get rid of hard drive/saves.

Give me a sec

Oops...I misread the article lol

It said they are not ready to give up on disc and hard drives. The copy and past feature on this site is broken.

Edited by ya_boi_j, 18 November 2011 - 03:48 PM.

[Skareffect]

ya_boi_j, on 18 November 2011 - 03:43 PM, said:

Give me a sec

Oops...I misread the article lol

It said they are not ready to give up on disc and hard drives. The copy and past feature on this site is broken.

I thought you did because if they made everything 100% digital, they will be sued out the @$$.

[Carter]

Zodiac, on 17 November 2011 - 10:52 PM, said:

Dude a new line GFX card costs around 650$, if they want to be on top of their game they'll have to pay nvidia to scale it down, cause those things are taller than the fat X360s. All the new tech is expensive as get out, and much much larger.

If they try to release an Xbox at <400$ it wil be a colossal loss. Also they have to find tvs that can support 3d vision or just drop the 3d idea overall.

Just because the PS3 failed doesn't mean it will keep prices from going up.

Consoles have never included the latest and greatest, that's not what they are about.  They always have some proprietary chipsets that only exist in that particular console, which allows them to engineer a more affordable card... and it doesn't cost Sony or Microsoft the retail price it costs consumers per unit.  

The graphics capability doesn't even have to be staggeringly better than what the current generation has to usher in a new wave of amazing looking games.  Consoles gamers are not as concerned with graphics as PC gamers, they just want something convenient in the living room (or wherever) that works when they turn it on and simply provides a great experience.  Not saying it doesn't need to be notably better, it just doesn't have to be the cutting edge of graphical capability to wow the console market.

I really doubt that the movement to 3D will be anything other than a focal point of the next generation.  Sony didn't develop and release an affordable price point Playstation branded 3DTV and peripherals for no reason.  But personally I don't think 3D will take off until the technology advances to a point where people don't need the special glasses to experience it.

I know some people believe there's no way the next generation of consoles can possibly release at any reasonable price point.  It will be on the expensive side at launch for the serious consoles, it always is; but I really doubt we will be seeing $600+.  If anyone is dumb enough to release a new console at that price in the world's current economic state, they deserve to go out of business.

[Zodiac]

Also just throwing this one out there, if im Microsoft or Sony, i'm not even attempting a next-gen until I find away to get away from Disc based gaming.