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[#1 pick]

1. Andrew Luck-
Comparison Matt Ryan
He does mostly everything Matt Ryan does. He is not the leader Ryan is nor does he have the intangibles or clutch factor Ryan has. Here is where he passes Ryan. Luck has no serious weaknesses. His arm strength is an issue which is on par with Ryan as well as his velocity but his deep ball accuracy is superior to Ryan even at this stage of his career. He has pinpoint accuracy on all his throws. Mobility. Luck has enough mobility to be rated as a balanced QB. He is not Rodgers but he is as mobile as David Garrard. Luck has elite pocket presence and pocket awareness as a college QB. With that said, he still needs a lot in my opinion. If he is not given the weapons, I can see him becoming a game manager like Ryan. If given the weapons, he could be a superstar. In the right system like the NE spread, I think he could be better than Brady.

2. Robert Griffin-
Comparison Donovan McNabb
While he is a superior passer to McNabb at the same stage, McNabb could break tackles and he was tougher to bring down. Griffin is sneaky fast and he can hold his speed like Devin Hester. You are never going to run down Griffin. He has very good arm strength. He is extremely smart. He is just as good a runner as Donovan out of college. He has horrible footwork and needs to work on it. That could take him at least two years to improve on. He has elite potential which is what I consider McNabb for a 5-7 year period.

3. Matt Barkley
NFL Comparison: Tony Romo
I love this guys talent. Is athletic. Can throw as well in the pocket as out of it. Romo has that rare ability. He is a much better decision maker than Romo at this stage and will be superior in the future. Has elite potential. Can make all the throws. Needs talent around him unless Griffin or a vet savvy Luck. My favorite QB in this class.

4. Kellen Moore
NFL Comparison: Drew Brees

I love this guy. Just like Brees, I feel like I am arguing for this guy too much. I felt Brees could become elite. People said he is the next bust. At first that looked true but today he is an all timer. I feel the same way about Moore. In fact, their scouting reports look identical. I feel that Moore has more varieties of passes in his repertoire than Brees but Brees had a tad more velocity out of college.

5. Tajh Boyd
NFL Comparison: Aaron Rodgers

They look like mirror images of each other as Juniors (Boyd is RS SOPH). Both are unpolished as h*ll and talented as s**t. Both have ungodly releases. Both have great intuition skills and understand the game with ease. Boyd is three years away from making an impact like Rodgers was but the talent and potential is there. Because of his potential, could sneak into the first round. Since Clemson is loaded, he might return next season. He is 6'1 230 which is one inch shorter and 10 pounds more than Aaron Rodgers.

6. Ryan Tannehill
NFL Comparison: Big Ben (poor man's)

Tannehill has talent but not enough in my opinion. This article is dead on how I feel about Tannehill right now. He is talented and at times shows a lot of potential.
http://www.mockingth...-prospect-notes

7. Dominique Davis
NFL Comparison: Warren Moon

Great passer. I always rated his potential highly even during his RS FR season at BC. I felt he just wasn't ready at that time and played too soon. He has excellent tools and he can throw it anywhere. If you watched ECU this season, he put the team on his back as far as he could from a passing standpoint. Very good accuracy. Decent pocket awareness. Decent athlete like Moon was. He does so much like Moon. He is extremely underrated at this point like Colin K was. I personally think he could be rated higher.

8. Kirk Cousins-
NFL Comparison: Matt Cassell

I love this kid a ton. I think the world of him. But the guys ahead of him can be more than game managers even if they are raw so I have changed my ranking for that. Cousins can be a good game manager but he is too limited to be more than that. Decent floor, low ceiling.

9. Landry Jones-
NFL Comparison: Jake Plummer

He is just too raw at this stage but I see a lot of Plummer in his game. They have the same arm and are mobile too. He is just unpolished and is really not a serious name for the draft in my opinion.

10. Nick Foles-
NFL Comparison- TBA

I will do a report on him later. I can only go by last season. The only Zona game I watched was Zona/UCLA. UCLA is a scrub team. I will get more tape in the future.

I will do a lot more reports as the season goes on. I do not do grades till the SR Bowl. My first list for 2012.

Edited by #1 pick, 25 October 2011 - 01:15 PM.

[#1 pick]

[Psychic Gibbon]

1. Luck

He's about as polished as you can get as a college player, has a pretty good arm, and has experience in a highly complex pro style offense. He isn't a vocal leader like Ryan, but he is a lead by example type of player which is more in line of players like Peyton.

2. Barkley

He's still a bit rough around the edges but you can't deny his current talent levels. The only problem I have with him is that he's a USC quarterback and they don't really have the greatest track records in the NFL lately.

3. Griffin

He's making me love my preseason pick of him being the Heisman dark horse candidate. He has good accuracy at all passing levels. He needs to work on some things but he'll translate well to the NFL.

4. Moore

He is not the prototypical quarterback since he's small for the position but he has great football IQ and a good arm. If he's put in the right place then he can become another Flutie or Brees type of QB. He also didn't miss a beat when he lost his two highly touted receivers which I approve of greatly out of a QB prospect.

5. Foles

Something to look at with good players is the impact he has on his team and Foles makes a huge impact. That team would undoubtedly be uncompetetive without him so he'd be a good pickup for a team at the next level.

6. Jones

I'd say he has more potential than Moore but he's too unpolished and the fact that he relies so much on Broyles and the chemistry he has with him makes me back off a bit with him.

7. Boyd

Great potential but as it stands he's a one year wonder with tremendous talent around him. Do this again next season and we'll talk.

8. Cousins

Doesn't really have the arm I'd like, doesn't take games over, and I wouldn't say he makes that team better but he does have above average accuracy. He's worth picking up as a backup, developing him, and then using as trade bait later on (ie. the Schaub treatment).

I'm not familiar enough with the others to comment on them.

[Kennesaw77]

Psychic Gibbon, on 25 October 2011 - 08:09 PM, said:

2. Barkley

He's still a bit rough around the edges but you can't deny his current talent levels. The only problem I have with him is that he's a USC quarterback and they don't really have the greatest track records in the NFL lately.

4. Moore

He is not the prototypical quarterback since he's small for the position but he has great football IQ and a good arm. If he's put in the right place then he can become another Flutie or Brees type of QB. He also didn't miss a beat when he lost his two highly touted receivers which I approve of greatly out of a QB prospect.

Foles is way too low imho. He is exactly the same kind of talent C. Ponder is when you talk about draft position.

fwiw Moore has not and does not look like the same QB we've seen in years past. He has missed a beat without Pettis and Young imho.

I don't really understand your dislike of Barkely for the simple fact he is a USC QB.

Let's look at the recent history of USC QB's:

Matt Cassell- career backup at USC. Now starting QB for the Chiefs.

Matt Leinart- 2nd string QB in Houston. The word on him is he is lazy as anything.

Carson Palmer- 1st string in Oakland. A great QB before injuries and age caught up with him. In his prime he was a top 10 NFL QB.

Mark Sanchez- 1st string in NY. Decent young QB who still has a way to go. He should have stayed in school fwiw. By no means is a bust.

that doesn't seem bad to me and I haven't even included guys that were NFL backups that no longer are. (John David Booty)

I think Jones is going to go sooner than you have him but I agree with you I think it's a mistake. Jones is not the same caliber player as Bradford. Like you said, and I love you've noticed this too, he relies on Broyles far too much. If you take Broyles out you rattle Jones. Just last week Broyles was held to under 100 yards and no TD's and Oklahoma lost.

Other than that I really liked your rankings and your reviews of players were spot on. Good work as always!

[Psychic Gibbon]

I'll just start by saying that I ranked them based on who I thought was the best and not the order they're going to be taken. That said, I haven't watched Foles enough to have the best gauge on him but when I have watched Arizona he always stands out to me. The Ponder comparison seems apt, though. Moore may have missed a slight beat but it's not like it's very common for a quarterback at any level to do as well as he's doing this season after losing his two main targets.

As for the USC quarterbacks, there is just something about them I don't like. They always seem like spoiled children to me and it comes back to haunt them. Palmer got everything he wanted with the Bengals which I think was partially the reason why they refused to cave into his demands to be traded for so long since he was being ungrateful in their eyes, Leinart was a playboy ********* and did not translate well to the NFL and now he's a backup, and I can't tell you how much I laughed when the Jets traded up to get Sanchez since he was a one year wonder who threw tantrums whenever USC lost, plus I never thought he was very good. The only one who I can say is not like that is Cassell. He isn't the most impressive talent but he's level headed and does a decent job. I'm just tepid about them and their extra baggage is all.

[Kennesaw77]

ok I didn't know you meant off the field. I actually don't think what Palmer did was that bad. I mean lets be honest Cincy have the worst front office other than Oakland. I think Palmer just got tired of a team that was not doing anything to improve but was instead getting worse.

[#1 pick]

Psychic Gibbon, on 26 October 2011 - 09:04 AM, said:

I'll just start by saying that I ranked them based on who I thought was the best and not the order they're going to be taken. That said, I haven't watched Foles enough to have the best gauge on him but when I have watched Arizona he always stands out to me. The Ponder comparison seems apt, though. Moore may have missed a slight beat but it's not like it's very common for a quarterback at any level to do as well as he's doing this season after losing his two main targets.

As for the USC quarterbacks, there is just something about them I don't like. They always seem like spoiled children to me and it comes back to haunt them. Palmer got everything he wanted with the Bengals which I think was partially the reason why they refused to cave into his demands to be traded for so long since he was being ungrateful in their eyes, Leinart was a playboy ********* and did not translate well to the NFL and now he's a backup, and I can't tell you how much I laughed when the Jets traded up to get Sanchez since he was a one year wonder who threw tantrums whenever USC lost, plus I never thought he was very good. The only one who I can say is not like that is Cassell. He isn't the most impressive talent but he's level headed and does a decent job. I'm just tepid about them and their extra baggage is all.

I love Barkley man and do not think he is like Matt L. He has more work ethic and a lot more talent than Matt Leinart. I wasn't high on Palmer or Leinart and still I am not high on them. Suburban LA spoiled brats with talent is the way I see them. Barkley has an edge they do not have. I still love Sanchez so I can't agree on that one.

I haven't reviewed Foles, basically he's unranked for that reason. I just put him on the list to show I have seen him at least once. When I did watch him last season, he looked like Gabbert more so than Ponder. He is more a spread guy.

Edited by #1 pick, 27 October 2011 - 01:36 PM.

[#1 pick]

Kennesaw77, on 25 October 2011 - 08:25 PM, said:

Foles is way too low imho. He is exactly the same kind of talent C. Ponder is when you talk about draft position.

fwiw Moore has not and does not look like the same QB we've seen in years past. He has missed a beat without Pettis and Young imho.

I don't really understand your dislike of Barkely for the simple fact he is a USC QB.

Let's look at the recent history of USC QB's:

Matt Cassell- career backup at USC. Now starting QB for the Chiefs.

Matt Leinart- 2nd string QB in Houston. The word on him is he is lazy as anything.

Carson Palmer- 1st string in Oakland. A great QB before injuries and age caught up with him. In his prime he was a top 10 NFL QB.

Mark Sanchez- 1st string in NY. Decent young QB who still has a way to go. He should have stayed in school fwiw. By no means is a bust.

that doesn't seem bad to me and I haven't even included guys that were NFL backups that no longer are. (John David Booty)

I think Jones is going to go sooner than you have him but I agree with you I think it's a mistake. Jones is not the same caliber player as Bradford. Like you said, and I love you've noticed this too, he relies on Broyles far too much. If you take Broyles out you rattle Jones. Just last week Broyles was held to under 100 yards and no TD's and Oklahoma lost.

Other than that I really liked your rankings and your reviews of players were spot on. Good work as always!

He really hasn't missed a beat at all. He looks better to me this year than last. His release is quicker. His velocity somehow improved again and his awareness seems to be out of the world for a college QB. He has what I look for in a potential franchise QB. My thing is he will need two to three seasons to develop.

Jones is not a high round NFL prospect right now. I have him rated low for a reason.

[Kennesaw77]

#1 pick, on 27 October 2011 - 01:28 PM, said:

When I did watch him last season, he looked like Gabbert more so than Ponder. He is more a spread guy.

I was comparing them in draft position not the way they play

[Kennesaw77]

#1 pick, on 27 October 2011 - 01:31 PM, said:

Jones is not a high round NFL prospect right now. I have him rated low for a reason.

according to you he isn't. According to most he is #2 behind Luck only. (I disagree fwiw)

[#1 pick]

Kennesaw77, on 27 October 2011 - 08:28 PM, said:

according to you he isn't. According to most he is #2 behind Luck only. (I disagree fwiw)

You don't have to agree with me. I never understood that logic.

Most are wrong in my opinion about Jones. I don't see it, most thought that Brian Brohm was a surefire #1 pick, I never seen it. Obviously, most of the teams didn't either.

[Smiler11]

I can see 5 or 6 qb's going in the first...

Luck, Barkley, Griffin and Jones I think are locks, then you'll get a couple of guys rated as second rounders who will end up going in the first. My guess would be Moore and Foles at this point.

[Kennesaw77]

Moore isn't big enough physically and doesn't have the arm to be a 1st rounder. (see why Colt Mccoy slipped)

[#1 pick]

I haven't updated this in awhile. Here's my list:

1. Griffin
2. Luck
3. Cousins
4. Tannehill
5. Wilson
6. Weeden
7. Foles
8. Osweiler
9. Lindley
10t. J. Harris
10t. Moore

Griffin is my number one overall prospect. He is a superior passing but not as talented as a Football player out of college version of Michael Vick. Has great field vision, pocket presence, Football IQ, has very good elusiveness not elite in this area like Newton or Vick, excellent velocity, and has a rocket arm. 1st Top 10. Comparison: Michael Vick/Aaron Rodgers

Luck is a very good athlete. He is strong, has good speed, elite accuracy, best going through progressions amazing pocket presence, elite pre snap read, very good mobility in the pocket, elite within 15 yards, poor velocity, still is very accurate past 15 yards just has major velocity issues. Luck is a winner. I don't see so much of the "it" factor but this man can play football at an extremely high level. 1st Top 10: Matt Ryan/Peyton Manning

Cousins is a very good football player. He reminds me of Andy Dalton from last season. Due to Dalton's success, I moved Cousins to the late 1st due to the need for NFL ready game manager who can create at times than Cousins is your man. Good at mostly everything and average and others but he's a NFL starter ready player. 1st Mid to late. Comparison: Andy Dalton

Tannehill is very much like Jeff Garcia to me. He's extremely raw out of college. He's talented very talented but unlike Garcia, Tannehill has massive size while Garcia was severely undersized. Extremely talented, can run, has a good arm, smart, very good within 15 yards, your typical WCO prospect. He needs seasoning like last year high potential prospect Colin Keapernick. He is a 2nd rounder by my grade. Comparison: Jeff Garcia with massive size.

Russell Wilson is a superb talent. To be honest, he is the 3rd most talented guy in this draft and is closer skill wise to Griffin and Luck than he is to Tannehill and Cousins. Wilson issues are clearly adjusted to the NFL size, finding the right fit, his height, and his adjusting overall. He has a very good arm, very good velocity, has great anticipation, high football iq, he has the "it" factor, elite pocket mobility best I've seen in ages, great speed, extremely accurate, is a playmaker, not a game manager. This is something that most QB's cannot do. He would be a great catch for a team who has a QB but wants a talented backup who could become a Pro Bowl QB in the future. His potential is extremely high, I like him a lot in the WCO. I am not as high on him in shotgun or offenses like Air Coryell. 2nd round. Comparison: Joe Montana/Doug Flutie

Weeden: 2nd round grade. Comparison: Quincy Carter

Foles: 3rd round grade. Comparison: Jake Plummer/Chad Henne

Osweiler: 4th round grade. Comparison: Kellen Clemens/Elvis Grbac

Lindley: 5th round grade. SLEEPER! Comparison: Tom Brady/John Beck
Notes on Lindley. Has an NFL arm. Good velocity on all throws. Great pocket mobility. Anticipates extremely well. Smart. A winner. He is very raw. No athletic ability. His accuracy can be all over the place. The offense, system, time when he gets the chance, his work ethic to improve will all play a major part of Lindley.

I am a major Miami Canes fan and Jacory has always been a topic of discussion for years. He is what I will say is a very talented QB. He can anticipate well, he is a good football iq player, he is extremely accurate within 15 yards, he can make a lot of throws from a lot of different angles, he is a very talented football player. He is just not that good of a deep ball thrower with poor deep ball accuracy. Good mobility. Improved pocket presence in his senior season. He is not consistent enough decision making wise to be a WCO QB at the moment and he has a tendency to throw a bad pass or two when he given free reign. Doesn't have an issue with confidence and is a extremely hard worker. He is a prospect that most definitely needs seasoning, the right system, the right type of weapons and a chance when he is ready. He talent level is much higher than his said draft grade. He is not NFL ready right now. He has great potential. He needs to bulk up and build up his deep ball arm strength i.e.velocity. His arm is very similar to Matt Ryan. Consistency is an issue. Footwork and technique is another issue. He really has raw skills. He needs to take that talent and turn them into skills. Wouldn't be rated if he wasn't so talented. 7th round grade. Comparison: John Parker Wilson/Kurt Warner

Kellen Moore is one of my personal favorite but his lack of arm strength, velocity, and overall mobility is too much to overcome at this level. He does so much well too. It's a shame because he is a very talented passer and anticipates better than any QB I've evaluated in ages. 7th round grade. Comparison: Colt Brennan/Drew Brees lite/Chase Daniels

That's my top 10.

Edited by #1 pick, 11 March 2012 - 01:57 AM.

[#1 pick]

Grades:
1st Top 10- Elite prospect potential (Rodgers, Manning, Brees, Eli)

1st Mid to late- Franchise QB potential (Romo, Cutler, Rivers, Vick)

2nd- Very good QB potential (Same as the mid to late but more developmental)

3rd-Solid QB potential (Fitzpatrick, Bulger, M. Hasslebeck, J. Campbell)

4rd- Average to below average QB potential (T. Jackson, McCown, Orton)

5th- Backup QB potential (Redman, Leftwich)

6th- 3rd string potential (D. Shockley, JPW, J. Harrington)

7th- PS QB potential (Kitner, A. Woodson)

UDFA- Outside chance at the NFL as a QB. (UFL QB's)

Edited by #1 pick, 11 March 2012 - 01:39 AM.

[Master Exploder]

Eh, I'll fix it for ya'.

1. Andrew Luck, Stanford
2. Robert Griffin III, Baylor
3. Russell Wilson, Wisconsin
4. Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State
5. Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M
6. Nick Foles, Arizona
7. Brock Osweiler, Arizona State
8. Kirk Cousins, Michigan State
9. Ryan Lindley, San Diego State
10. Austin Davis, Southern Mississippi

[#1 pick]

Master Exploder, on 11 March 2012 - 04:46 AM, said:

Eh, I'll fix it for ya'.

1. Andrew Luck, Stanford
2. Robert Griffin III, Baylor
3. Russell Wilson, Wisconsin
4. Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State
5. Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M
6. Nick Foles, Arizona
7. Brock Osweiler, Arizona State
8. Kirk Cousins, Michigan State
9. Ryan Lindley, San Diego State
10. Austin Davis, Southern Mississippi

This really isn't a name your top 10 QB thread. You can create one if you want to. When I have time I will constantly update this thread but time hasn't been kind of recent notice for me.

[FalcoChicquera]

My top 10 with prediction for top 5

1. Andrew Luck
Floor - Matt Ryan with mobility
Ceiling - Tom Brady with mobility
Prediction - Tom Brady with mobility

2. Robert Griffin
Floor - Michael Vick in Atlanta
Ceiling - Aaron Rodgers
Prediction - Poor Man's Aaron Rodgers

3. Brandon Weeden
Floor - Chris Weinke
Ceiling - 2005 Carson Palmer
Prediction - Matt Schaub

4. Ryan Tannehill
Floor - Josh McCown
Ceiling - Poor-man's Roethlisberger
Prediction - Mobile Jason Campbell

5. Russell Wilson
Floor - Brad Banks
Ceiling - Drew Brees
Prediction - Rich Man's Seneca Wallace

6. Kick Cousins
---No more starters---
7. Nick Foles
8. Aaron Corp
9. Brock Osweiler
10. Darron Thomas (as package QB)

[#1 pick]

FalcoChicquera, on 11 March 2012 - 10:44 AM, said:

My top 10 with prediction for top 5

1. Andrew Luck
Floor - Matt Ryan with mobility
Ceiling - Tom Brady with mobility
Prediction - Tom Brady with mobility

2. Robert Griffin
Floor - Michael Vick in Atlanta
Ceiling - Aaron Rodgers
Prediction - Poor Man's Aaron Rodgers

3. Brandon Weeden
Floor - Chris Weinke
Ceiling - 2005 Carson Palmer
Prediction - Matt Schaub

4. Ryan Tannehill
Floor - Josh McCown
Ceiling - Poor-man's Roethlisberger
Prediction - Mobile Jason Campbell

5. Russell Wilson
Floor - Brad Banks
Ceiling - Drew Brees
Prediction - Rich Man's Seneca Wallace

6. Kick Cousins
---No more starters---
7. Nick Foles
8. Aaron Corp
9. Brock Osweiler
10. Darron Thomas (as package QB)

Poor man's Aaron Rodgers isn't that good. That's above average. Michael Vick in Atlanta is better than a poor man's AR. Vick was an amazing football player, just a shotty passer.

I agree about Luck in facts that exactly what I think about Luck.

I don't know about the rest. 2005 Carson Palmer is far too great for Weeden.

[FalcoChicquera]

#1 pick, on 11 March 2012 - 11:19 AM, said:

Poor man's Aaron Rodgers isn't that good. That's above average. Michael Vick in Atlanta is better than a poor man's AR. Vick was an amazing football player, just a shotty passer.

I don't know about the rest. 2005 Carson Palmer is far too great for Weeden.

Poor man's AR was a bad choice of words - I mean like the 2009 Aaron Rodgers, not the beastly 2010 playoffs / 2011 Aaron Rodgers. Mike Vick was an incredible player who won games on his own, but as you say he wasn't the greatest pure passer, and that could happen in Washington if he has no-one to throw to and is forced to just try and make things happen.

I'm higher on Weeden than almost anyone so fair enough. I see Andy Dalton with extra arm strength year 1, and I think he can kick on from that.