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[blkbigdog35]

root down, on 27 December 2011 - 08:24 PM, said:

Still convinced.  Again I saw on replay, Ryan had time, with WR open down field, but checked down to soon.  Brees, avoids rush, eyes downfield, and finds who is open. Ryan Misses throws he shouldn't, i.e. the POGO route to TG he Always throws to high.....for TG!  1st qter he has what he wants, ball should come out but it doesn't.  Instead of Roddy breaking and the ball is there and he can make a move.  He stops.....waits.....jumps, catches it and gets DRILLED.  Same qter.  Has Julio on a square in route.  Ball should be out before he breaks....it isn't, it gives the DB time to recover, and break up the pass.  Game after Game, and this was a "GOOD" game by Ryan....

Ryan makes some plays, but misses way too many.  Almost got roddy killed by throwing high and late.  Had TG 1-1 in the endzone,  started off as a fade route, but should have been a dart to the chest, and TD.  Ryan just couldn't make the mental adjustment to not throw the fade, even though the coverage dictated a different type of throw, to the Same guy.  Brees to Graham 1-1, perfect...TD

Totally agree and I think the problem now is that we want to make him out to be an elite QB but he still has way too much to learn.  Way have to stay with Turner, Snelling and Quiz to open up the pass for him.  Our record with Turner going over 100 yards and us winning is outstanding so why in the **** do we decide to let Ryan air it out??

[Falconsfan567™]

root down, on 27 December 2011 - 08:24 PM, said:

Still convinced.  Again I saw on replay, Ryan had time, with WR open down field, but checked down to soon.  Brees, avoids rush, eyes downfield, and finds who is open. Ryan Misses throws he shouldn't, i.e. the POGO route to TG he Always throws to high.....for TG!  1st qter he has what he wants, ball should come out but it doesn't.  Instead of Roddy breaking and the ball is there and he can make a move.  He stops.....waits.....jumps, catches it and gets DRILLED.  Same qter.  Has Julio on a square in route.  Ball should be out before he breaks....it isn't, it gives the DB time to recover, and break up the pass.  Game after Game, and this was a "GOOD" game by Ryan....

Ryan makes some plays, but misses way too many.  Almost got roddy killed by throwing high and late.  Had TG 1-1 in the endzone,  started off as a fade route, but should have been a dart to the chest, and TD.  Ryan just couldn't make the mental adjustment to not throw the fade, even though the coverage dictated a different type of throw, to the Same guy.  Brees to Graham 1-1, perfect...TD

You guys amaze me. Matt Ryan was 34 of 52 for 373 yards and 0 interceptions and you guys are blaming him for the loss. He was our best player in the game on either side of the ball. How many freaking teams can win games when their defense gives up 38 points or however many points it was? How in the heck was it Matt Ryan's fault that Julio Jones fumbled the ball and the Saints got a touchdown out of it.

Matt Ryan is more than good enough to lead this team to a Super Bowl win if the Thomas Dimitroff and Mike Smith ever get off their *** and put a decent defense on the field that doesn't let guys like Drew Brees stand back there FOREVER and let's receivers run free all over the field.

Dunta Robinson should have been benched. How many freaking plays were there when he just stood there and let the receiver do whatever the **** he pleases? How many plays were there where the Saints ran the ball right up the middle and we never even laid a finger on the guy till he was 10 plus yards down the field.

Get a defense and we will have our Super Bowl win. Joe Flacco is the most overrated piece of **** QB I've ever seen in my life but he gets all the credit for having playoff wins but Matt Ryan has actually played better than Flacco in the playoffs and hasn't come close to winning a playoff game yet. Flacco was 4 of 10 passing for 34 yards and 1 interception and the Ravens beat the socks off the Patriots in 2009. If Matt Ryan were to EVER have a game like that it would be miles worst than 45-16. Also last time I checked Matt Ryan didn't get called for holding penalties and offense pass intererence.

[root down]

this isn't a knee jerk reaction to one game.  I'm certainly not totally blaming Ryan for the lose.  There is ALOT of blame to go around.  This topic is on Ryan.  We can start a thread discussing Van Gorder, MM, the O-line, etc.  The difference in Brees and Ryan, Brees avoids the rush AND makes plays Downfield.  Diff. in pretty good, and elite.  Period

I will bite on the putting a "decent" D on the field.  Super Bowl champions either have Great QB play, supported by pretty good D.  Or a GREAT D, supported by a pretty good QB that doesn't turn the ball over.  We don't have either.

Agree on Dunta, he should be moved to FS, traded, or cut.

[Duff_Man]

Ryan is not the problem. At all.

[Nativebird]

Mularkey will never lead an offensive strategy capable of winning a superbowl.  Your quarterback is PLENTY capable of winning a superbowl.  He's aboout to break the franchise record for passing in a season.  Better than Bart.  Better than Chandler.  He's top 10 in a 32 team league that is QB centered, and getting better each year.  Your quarterback is not your team's problem.  In fact, he's one of your FEW answers on this team.   look a little deeper at your OC compared to the Mcarthy's and Sean Peyton's of the world...it's not even close.

[blkbigdog35]

Well let's put it this way Ryan will never be an elite QB under MM system, period!!

[slimjim]

Nativebird, on 01 January 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

Mularkey will never lead an offensive strategy capable of winning a superbowl.  Your quarterback is PLENTY capable of winning a superbowl.  He's aboout to break the franchise record for passing in a season.  Better than Bart.  Better than Chandler.  He's top 10 in a 32 team league that is QB centered, and getting better each year.  Your quarterback is not your team's problem.  In fact, he's one of your FEW answers on this team.   look a little deeper at your OC compared to the Mcarthy's and Sean Peyton's of the world...it's not even close.

You're on to it.

Interesting that Ryan's no-huddle play calling has so often saved the offense this season after Mike "Vanilla" Mularkey's game plan of over-thinking yourself gets exposed.

There were ACTUALLY good play calls yesterday, surprising.

[Falconsfan567™]

root down, on 29 December 2011 - 04:21 PM, said:

this isn't a knee jerk reaction to one game.  I'm certainly not totally blaming Ryan for the lose.  There is ALOT of blame to go around.  This topic is on Ryan.  We can start a thread discussing Van Gorder, MM, the O-line, etc.  The difference in Brees and Ryan, Brees avoids the rush AND makes plays Downfield.  Diff. in pretty good, and elite.  Period

I will bite on the putting a "decent" D on the field.  Super Bowl champions either have Great QB play, supported by pretty good D.  Or a GREAT D, supported by a pretty good QB that doesn't turn the ball over.  We don't have either.

Agree on Dunta, he should be moved to FS, traded, or cut.

Sorry if I went off on you a bit but I'm sick of seeing posts downgrading Ryan and nick picking at his flaws when he is the least of our problems.

Here is something to think about.

Matt Ryan has finally arrived. His stats now back up his play. Before he had the play but sometimes his numbers were ugly in getting the wins. Wins against the Jets in 2009 and 49ers in 2010 come to mind. Games where Ryan played average to below average most of the game but when we needed it the most he stepped up and made the plays to win the game. But now Matt’s level of play has risen to a new level. Matt’s stat line over his last 9 games tells the story.

193 of 313 [61.7%], 2,494 YDS [8.0 avg], 20 TD, 4 INT - 102.6 Passer Rating

Those numbers projected out over a full season?

343 of 556 [61.7%], 4433 YDS [8.0 avg] 35 TD, 7 INT - 102.6 Passer Rating

I don’t know about you but I’ll take that every single day and twice on Sunday. That's plenty good enough to win a Super Bowl.

[Nativebird]

Best quarterback this franchise has ever had and the stats back it up.  Greatest season of a Falcon QB (ever.....repeat EVER...including your precious Michael Vick) and we're here debating whether Matt has what it takes?   Are you kidding me.  Yes, the kid needs to win some playoff games, but so does the team around him....and especially the coaching staff.   In fact...this supporting cast has done so least with so much in 4 years, that if I were Matt Ryan and my contract year was coming up?  I wouldn't be signing any long term deals and would be leaning heavily towards going FA!
That's right, Falcon fans, somethIng you may have not considered and you need to.....threads like these and it's flawed premise is the exact type of franchise gArbage that loses future HOF talent to teams that WILL put together Superbowl level coaching staffs!

[freefall]

I really don't understand some Falcons fans.  In Ryan we have the best QB the franchise ever had, and in time his numbers will back up this claim.  Baring injuries he will eventually own every franchise single and career passing records.  Not only that his work ethic is unquestionable, and he always said the right thing.  It would be shocking if anything ever controversial coming from him.  So here we have a very good QB who proudly represent the franchise.  Yet for some reasons some fans can't seem to embrace that.

[Herr Doktor]

He's not flashy.  He doesn't run well or heave 70 yard lazer strikes.  He's lunch pale, workman like and gets us there.  People on this board whine and complain about that.  In the end, he is more answer than question, the numbers fully support that.

[blkbigdog35]

In this league the only stat that matters is how many championships you win.  Stats are overrated and ultimately the one that matters most is winning.

[Falconsfan567™]

blkbigdog35, on 22 January 2012 - 04:05 PM, said:

In this league the only stat that matters is how many championships you win.  Stats are overrated and ultimately the one that matters most is winning.

Well it takes the entire team to win championships. Look at Sunday. Tom Brady was 22 of 36, 239 yards, 0 touchdowns and 2 interceptions and the Patriots still scored 23 points and won the game. Matt has had better playoff games than that and the Falcons haven't come close to winning one yet. Matt gets way too much blame for the Falcons playoff losses just like Flacco gets way too much credit for all the playoff wins the Ravens have.

[blkbigdog35]

By no means do I put this on Matt but I think team stats bode well more so that individual stats and thats all I'm trying to say.  Those things are great for window dressing but winning championships is what I'm expecting now for this team.  I've been a fan since 1980 and since these past four years my expectations have grown for this team in that I want to see us win in the playoffs when it counts.   As long as Matt wears the red and black then I ride or die with him but I would be a real fan if I didn't like or agree with somethings because that's what objectivity is all about.

[Falconsfan567™]

blkbigdog35, on 24 January 2012 - 04:59 PM, said:

By no means do I put this on Matt but I think team stats bode well more so that individual stats and thats all I'm trying to say.  Those things are great for window dressing but winning championships is what I'm expecting now for this team.  I've been a fan since 1980 and since these past four years my expectations have grown for this team in that I want to see us win in the playoffs when it counts.   As long as Matt wears the red and black then I ride or die with him but I would be a real fan if I didn't like or agree with somethings because that's what objectivity is all about.

I agree that there was a time when an 8-8 season was a reason to celebrate a successful season for the Falcons but those days are long gone. Yes winning championships is what matters but many QBs struggle to get that first playoff win.

But I think there is something to be said for the fact that the teams the Falcons lost to turned out to be much better than we all thought before the games were played. The Cardinals ended up losing the Super Bowl in 2008 to the Steelers on a last-second touchdown, the Packers won the Super Bowl and now this year the Giants have a chance to win the Super Bowl. So the Falcons haven't lost to scrub teams like the Saints did when they lost to the Seahawks last year or like the Steelers did this year losing to the Broncos.

[Padawan Knight]

falconsfan567, on 25 January 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

I agree that there was a time when an 8-8 season was a reason to celebrate a successful season for the Falcons but those days are long gone. Yes winning championships is what matters but many QBs struggle to get that first playoff win.

But I think there is something to be said for the fact that the teams the Falcons lost to turned out to be much better than we all thought before the games were played. The Cardinals ended up losing the Super Bowl in 2008 to the Steelers on a last-second touchdown, the Packers won the Super Bowl and now this year the Giants have a chance to win the Super Bowl. So the Falcons haven't lost to scrub teams like the Saints did when they lost to the Seahawks last year or like the Steelers did this year losing to the Broncos.

I think that is a great point that many "fans" have lost sight of when it comes to this team. We aren't losing to losers. We're losing to teams that are getting hot at the right time. We just need to find that same magic next year and could finally get back to the big game ourselves.

[Herr Doktor]

Padawan Knight, on 25 January 2012 - 08:28 PM, said:

I think that is a great point that many "fans" have lost sight of when it comes to this team. We aren't losing to losers. We're losing to teams that are getting hot at the right time. We just need to find that same magic next year and could finally get back to the big game ourselves.

Solid, and a correct observation!

[JBOPPER]

I`m taking the wait and see approach with the new OC/DC we have in place now.

[Shadyman]

JBopper, on 17 February 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

I`m taking the wait and see approach with the new OC/DC we have in place now.

         yeah, same here...it was interesting reading these post from opening day and the first few weeks of the season

[blkbigdog35]

Well defensively I'm more confident in Coach Nolan since he has a credible record however with the OC a little wait and see.