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  1. The point certainly has merit on any number of snaps and a game where the quarterback is dropping back, but in the running game you can get eaten alive. The real answer is it somewhere in between.
  2. I meant it when I said that was a good point. Thus, I cede the point Its not accurate to say he has "short" arms. Please do check on the last 5 drafts to see averages and let us know. I'm sincerely curious.
  3. I haven't seen enough of him but know you would know. Does he have the bend and core strength Beasley has or even close to it? If he has the bend my next question is, does he have the core power, low center of gravity Beasley has or close to it? These are the areas I would look at closer given his below average arm length and tiny hand size. bottom line, if he can get under he taller OTs outstretched longer arms utilizing rare bend, good core strength and low power center his arm length and hand size is way less important. You may be the only one on the thread capable of understanding my concerns and how these other qualities I mentioned can offset them. I know TD and Q already know the answers to these questions.
  4. Interesting point. Is that fact or your best guess?
  5. If you have the unnatural bend that Beasley has and studs like John Abraham had, where you can twist and bend your core with power center very low to the ground, you can get under your taller opponents typically longer outreached arms. The reason core strength is so important is it connects upper body muscles to loaner body muscles, and if a pass rusher is very low to the ground the core muscles allow you to connect the two power centers when in full bend. I recall in Beasleys rookie season stating he could be as good or better than Abe and it was due to the insane bend, low to the ground center and core power I was witnessing in Beasley. Very much reminded me of Abe. If Rivers possesses this rare quality arm length and hand size are less important.
  6. 18% percentile in arm length. Whether you want to call them short arms or "not long" arms is fine with me. I suppose 248 Lbs isn't light either, unless you are comparing him to the other DEs in the draft. Derek Rivers Combine Measurables Measurable Measurement %tile Height 6' 4" 57 Weight 248 lbs 7 Arm Length 32¾" 18 Hand Size 9⅜" 14 40 Yard Dash 4.61s 93 Vertical Jump 35" 74 Broad Jump 123" 88 3-Cone Drill 6.94s 90 20 Yard Shuttle 4.4s 53 60 Yard Shuttle 12.43s 22 Bench Press 30 reps So so now let's look at my point. 18% in arm length and 14% in hand size. This ***combination*** concerns me. Many DEs can offset being in the under 20 percentile of measurables in multiple areas and become all world. Some cannot.
  7. Anyone who thinks the NFL teams aren't concerned of pass rushers who have a ****combination*** of short arms and small hands are mistaken. Please note the word "combination" in the statement. Now, does having short arms and small hands automatically mean you can't be a successful pass rusher? Of course not, pointing to a pass rusher who is successful with short arms and/or small hands doesn't refute my point at all. Does having short arms and small hands mean you can't be a sucssfull NFL OT? Of course not, but it definitely concerns NFL teams if you are considering drafting one. Thus, all I stated was the obvious, it concerns me. Period. And I guarantee you it concerns any team looking at him. A pass rusher with a combination of short arms and small hands better be able to make up for this in other areas of his game. I didn't say Rivers will be a bust, he could be as good as Beasley for all I know.
  8. I haven't had time to digest the deeper part of the draft this year, wayyyyyy too busy at work, but that's an interesting point . I have great faith in our front offices ability to find us an OG in the draft. I wouldn't mind drafting a swing OT either to develop
  9. I'm just a little concerned with his short arms and tiny hands. Not a good combination when trying to keep OTs not named Sam Baker off you.
  10. I think we can find an athletic OG in the 2nd or 3rd round who could start. We are only replacing the weakest link in the chain anyway in Chester. He was serviceable at best. Our scouting department knocked it out of the park the last couple years and we may even be bale to find one in the 4th where we got Freeman or the 5th where we got Grady Jarrett.
  11. I'm pretty much with you, although our very own DraftNut usually puts together sound mocks.
  12. I still run into Rod Coleman from time to time. He's a really nice guy.
  13. Indeed. We have Mathews playing on a rookie contract that will expire where we will have to pay up big time so we could use a RG playing on a rookie contract for the next 4 years to offset the Mathews contract. Of course, pass rusher is right up there in need so not sure how well,go. in this exact situation, needing pass rushers and OGs, Reeves would select a TE with our first Pick
  14. This highlights the hidden value of drafting players over bringing in big dollar free agents. Rookie Contracts = Hidden Value If you draft well, you get players like Grady Jarrett, Vic Beasley, Devnta Freeman, Coleman etc playing at a high level for peanuts on rookie contracts. This allows you to resign your veterans who have clearly earned their new contracts. You also know for a fact how much value a player coming off a rookie contract brings to the team and you can either pay him accordingly or lose him in FA for a possible compensatory pick. As we've al,,seen there is huge risk bringing in a player from outside with a bloated contract. Byrd in New Orleans is a prime example.